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Nevada shooting

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Dorothy Parker --- 9 days ago -

In a world of constant gun violence, all open carry will do is confuse law enforcement on who the bad guy is and make it easier for someone like Stephen Paddock to walk out in the open with his intentions.

Concealed carry is the way a smart, responsible gun owner conducts themselves. 

Tryingto --- 9 days ago -

In a world of constant gun violence, all open carry will do is confuse law enforcement on who the bad guy is and make it easier for someone like Stephen Paddock to walk out in the open with his intentions.

I heard people on the news say they had weapons, but no one could tell where the fire was coming from, and they worried about getting confused as a bad guy--just like you said. Then I heard some expert talking about how people ran into bullets and died. Then, it looks like they only accidentally found the shooter.

Every good guy armed was useless in this situation. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 9 days ago -

In a world of constant gun violence, all open carry will do is confuse law enforcement on who the bad guy is and make it easier for someone like Stephen Paddock to walk out in the open with his intentions.

If someone wants to do this no law is going to stop it. 

fuzz81 --- 9 days ago -

Austailia says you?re wrong 

Tryingto --- 9 days ago -

If someone wants to do this no law is going to stop it.

So, why argue that you need a gun to stop violence? It was also useless. 

Sharticus --- 9 days ago -

link title 

fuzz81 --- 9 days ago -

That was an idiotic argument aimed at simpletons 

Tryingto --- 9 days ago -

Where did the speaker get his statistics from? All of the typical incidents are the prey going up against a gun. Unless you are talking about criminals, regular people with guns are not likely to have to defend themselves.

Guns kill more people in suicide than any other method

Vets kill themselves more than 20% than others and use a gun in most cases

Guns kill known people in family violence

Guns kill and injure children

Keep your gun. But, stop telling everyone it's to protect yourself. Unless you are in a gang or the drug trade, not likely. Then, take responsibility for locking them up and keeping them away from depressed, young people, and criminals.


That's the least you can do to keep yourself and everyone around you safe. In real life. 

the Markster --- 9 days ago -

But different gun laws might.
Give us some examples.


Think of something Souploops, be part of the solution for a change. 

jackass --- 9 days ago -

Every good guy armed was useless in this situation.


That can?t be... 

Prolix Raconteur --- 8 days ago -

So true, I didn't even think about that. Apparently, only 9 states require background checks at gun shows.

What is the origin of this ridiculously false statement? All licensed dealers, whether at a gun show or from a storefront, are required by federal law to do a background check. All sellers at a gun show must be licensed. The so-called "gun show loophole" is a liberal talking point for people uneducated in firearm law. Individuals will go to a gun show and attempt to sell a gun to other individuals in the parking lot etc. The gun show is not responsible for person to person transactions, which happen anywhere from FB to mall parking lots and around gun shows as well. None of those transactions are illegal at this time. Not to mention, the so called scary stuff that supposedly is sold at gun shows is all legal, including bump stocks. Facts be damned. 

fuzz81 --- 8 days ago -

Bootlixer is triggered again 

Tryingto --- 8 days ago -

9 states require background checks at the point of gun transfer, including person to person.

Not all gun shows require the dealers to be licensed.

There is a loophole. That's a fact. It's not a liberal thing. 

kwgraniteguy --- 8 days ago -

Keep your gun. But, stop telling everyone it's to protect yourself. Unless you are in a gang or the drug trade, not likely.

I am neither in a gang nor the drug trade and have used a gun to protect myself from a carjacker. Just passing through a not so great neighborhood from point A to B. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 8 days ago -

Not all gun shows require the dealers to be licensed.


But the federal government does. 

AMDG --- 8 days ago -

So is this legal? I go to wherever and with a clean record buy say 20 pistols over a few weeks. Take them all to a gun show, and sell them to whoever I want with no checks. 

AMDG --- 8 days ago -

Forgot to add, in the parking lot - personal sales 

Tryingto --- 7 days ago -

Here is the info directly from the ATF.


"As a general rule, you will need a license if you repetitively buy and sell firearms with the principal motive of making a profit. In contrast, if you only make occasional sales of firearms from your personal collection, you do not need to be licensed. In either case, all of your firearms transactions are relevant, regardless of their location; it does not matter if sales are conducted out of your home, at gun shows, flea markets, through the internet, or by other means."

https://www.atf.gov/file/100871/download 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 6 days ago -

I am neither in a gang nor the drug trade and have used a gun to protect myself from a carjacker. Just passing through a not so great neighborhood from point A to B.

I'm not either, but the person I kept from getting beaten was sure glad I had my 1911 that day. 

Tryingto --- 5 days ago -

I'm not either, but the person I kept from getting beaten was sure glad I had my 1911 that day.

Guns for your personal protection aren't intended to take the place of the police force for everyone else. You can never know if the person you are pointing at started the fight or what occurred beforehand. 

Tryingto --- 5 days ago -

I am neither in a gang nor the drug trade and have used a gun to protect myself from a carjacker. Just passing through a not so great neighborhood from point A to B.


I'm sure most people who buy guns think that is how it'll get used, and are shocked to find "protection" ends up killing a family member. Look it up yourself. Unfortunately, that's what the stats say. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 5 days ago -

Guns for your personal protection aren't intended to take the place of the police force for everyone else. You can never know if the person you are pointing at started the fight or what occurred beforehand.

You are kidding, right? 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 5 days ago -

I'm sure most people who buy guns think that is how it'll get used, and are shocked to find "protection" ends up killing a family member. Look it up yourself. Unfortunately, that's what the stats say.

Do you seriously thing that if guns were outlawed that it would have any effect on the suicide rate? 

AMDG --- 5 days ago -

Do you seriously thing that if guns were outlawed that it would have any effect on the suicide rate?

yes 

AMDG --- 5 days ago -

Harvard study - tad old - but first hit

In the United States, suicides outnumber homicides almost two to one. Perhaps the real tragedy behind suicide deaths?about 30,000 a year, one for every 45 attempts?is that so many could be prevented. Research shows that whether attempters live or die depends in large part on the ready availability of highly lethal means, especially firearms. 

the Markster --- 5 days ago -

Such a confusing way he thinks.
hmmm. Don't let that obsession of me fester too long 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 4 days ago -

No one is trying to make all guns illegal- it's only the semi automatic weapons that were being discussed- 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 4 days ago -

only the semi automatic weapons that were being discussed-?

By whom? 

Im Incognito --- 3 days ago -

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 21 hours ago - quote - hide comments
No one is trying to make all guns illegal- it's only the semi automatic weapons that were being discussed-?


That would cover just about all rifles that are legal now since full auto rifles aren't legal. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 days ago -

What? All rifles aren't semi automatic- 

Im Incognito --- 3 days ago -

someTattooedDragon --- 1 hours ago - quote - hide comments
What? All rifles aren't semi automatic-?


Most of them are. The only ones that aren't semi-automatic are bolt action rifles. Look at the definition. The AR-15's and AK-47's you can legally buy are semi-automatic. Fully automatic weapons are not legal. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 days ago -

I already knew that, and those would be the very ones I was talking about- 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 days ago -

Would it be that horrible if they quit making them? 

Tryingto --- 3 days ago -

You are kidding, right?

How many fights have you witnessed and intervened in? I have had to report on my fair share, and people breaking them up and the ones witnessed from inside, and interviewed have a difficult time identifying who punched who and when, or where the fight began, as it usually starts as a moving shouting match and initial hits are missed.

Anyone who has seriously dealt with this crap knows that the in's and outs of the event are difficult to pick apart by one glance. And a good video will usually show that both are at each other, and it travelled from an earlier location, where the loser may have been the one who set up the disaster, and is "winning" against a deadly assault started by someone else--thereby rightfully defending himself.

So, if you shoot the wrong person, you are now liable.

You should check with your law enforcement and not tv shows to get a better idea of the work that goes into to determining if it was self defense.

So, when you point a gun at someone, you as the gun owner hold the responsibility of that knowledge. Otherwise YOU are the one up for charges--not just the fighters.

How many physical fights get broken up with deadly force---not many. Despite the police brutality problems, guns are not fired often and are defused, not killed. 

Tryingto --- 3 days ago -

Whats next? How much more freedom are we willing to give over to government control?

Again, you carry, you get insurance and pay for the liability you take on with the purchase, when a gun goes to a third party with no check, or it ends up in criminal hands. You maintain control over your own destiny, but accept that the right to ownership, like the right to drive, comes with financial responsibility to others who may be injured by it.

Hell, if you have a dog that is deemed dangerous, once that happens, you are forever liable should the dog hurt someone else, even if you no longer own it. We understand this with deadly and maiming animals, but not deadly guns?

Everyone still has a right to own a dog, but in doing so you accept the responsibility for injury or harm it inflicts and are liable. 

Im Incognito --- 3 days ago -

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 58 min ago - quote - hide comments
I already knew that, and those would be the very ones I was talking about-


So what's the difference between them and any other semi-automatic rifle?There are all kinds of rifles that do the same thing as an AR-15 or an AK-47. 

the Markster --- 3 days ago -

By whom?
Honestly bob. Just admit you are cool with semi crazy people with semi automatic weapons with unlimited rounds of ammo. Moreover, Trump is your kind of douche bag president. 

Tryingto --- 2 days ago -

All sellers at a gun show must be licensed. The so-called "gun show loophole" is a liberal talking point for people uneducated in firearm law. Individuals will go to a gun show and attempt to sell a gun to other individuals in the parking lot etc. The gun show is not responsible for person to person transactions, which happen anywhere from FB to mall parking lots and around gun shows as well. None of those transactions are illegal at this time. Not to mention, the so called scary stuff that supposedly is sold at gun shows is all legal, including bump stocks. Facts be damned.

The fact is that personal sales of firearms do not require federal background checks. There is not a universal federal law to check all transfers of guns--end of story. Period. The loop hole, should be the private sale loophole, and only 9 states have closed it, by requiring all transfers to use background checks. Those are the facts.

Don't pretend the federal government dealt with it. They haven't. States are attempting. This is not liberal, it just requires a look at the ATF guidelines to confirm. 

Tryingto --- 2 days ago -

Fully automatic rifles (machine guns), while highly destructive, are almost non existent in civilian hands. This guy was an anomaly. That being said, I see no reason why any civilian needs a fully automatic weapon.


The last stats said 3% of gun owners own 50 % of all guns--in the world. So, Paddock is part of a small group that has a weird need to arm and buy an abundance of destructive machinery. For what? I have country folk friends, who hunt, and they have different kinds of guns, but not multiple semi's. But, they go opening day, eat deer meat, hang out in blinds. Paddock has no history of regular hunting, or target practice. Most of the hand guns are in the burbs. Not in the inner city. Who are you going to fend off going in town center? The porta potties in every parking lot? 

POTUS --- 2 days ago -

Bet all the money in my pockets this man had Fed guns. Arsenal makes no sense. 

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