Did Jesus turn water into "alcoholic" wine at a party?
Did Jesus drink alcoholic wine? It is assumed by a great many that He did. Let's examine this for a moment. Do you know how much wine Jesus made during His first miracle at the wedding feast of Cana? He made 6 firkins, or about 150 gallons. Now, of course, the New International Version (NIV), which never changes anything of significance (yea, right), says by implication that Jesus did this "after the GUESTS had too much to drink". You do understand that Jesus was a GUEST don't you??? So, let me understand this correctly, Jesus was at a party where the guests were drinking to excess, Jesus was one of the guests, and He supplied a few extra kegs to liven things up a bit after they had already drank to excess. Is that your Jesus?
The King James Bible (KJB) rendering which states they had "well drunken" (had plenty to drink) is the correct one. The New American Standard Version and other literal modern versions agree with the KJB here, leaving the NIV alone in its radically liberal paraphrase. Even if you take the rendering in the KJB, which I do, you have to conclude the guests had drank their fill of wine. If this wine was alcoholic then it is likely that they would not be ready for another 150 gallons of alcoholic wine. Think about it. How many glass of wine would this be? If you figure 4 ounces to a glass, 128 ounces to a gallon, you get 32 glasses of wine per gallon and a grand total of 4,800 glasses of wine. Now I do not know how many people were at this feast, but surely 500 would be a large number for such an event at this time. If this wine was alcoholic then Jesus did cause all who were there to drink to excess. This is clearly a sin in the Old Testament. Not only would His excessive drinking have been a sin, but causing others to do so is also a sin. Every Jew present at this wedding, and they were undoubtedly all Jews, would have known Him to be a sinner because of this verse, and many others:
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also,.......
Now my liberal (apostate) friends are quick to assert that Jesus drank alcoholic wine, as a tea totaler of course, but are often shocked by the implication this has in John 2. Some have suggested that Jesus didn't drink any, and that the guests did not have to drink all that he made. These are interesting thoughts, but I think it is clear from context that the guests had drank their fill and were now given a great deal more to drink. I think it is also abundantly clear from context this was not alcoholic wine.
If it was a sin, wouldn't the word "sin" be better than "is a mocker" or "raging"?
The context of the Bible tells you it's a sin.
Jacobsen, you made your point. That's enough now.
Showing your bias again. Where is this rule concerning the amount of posts you can make? Why is it you don't comment to the others who seem to also be discussing alcoholic drinks, which is the topic? Why don't you say something to Gigi who is discussing JL, which isn't the topic of this thread?
You may not be "JL" today, but you certainly are from the past.
No, I've never been JL.
Another lie ... that God will hold you accountable for.
If you actually understood what Jesus did, you would know that your statement is incorrect.
Well, that settles it. As long as Will Hoyt said so. *eye roll*
Can you accurately refute what he said? No, of course you can't, therefore saecasm comes into play.
Hey ladies, long time no see. I wouldn't miss a drop in Hayride for anything. Do we all have to bring our Bibles So Mr. Lynch/Jacobson / JDB can beat on them. Will he be offering lectures on how a woman should know her place in the kitchen?
jacobson --- 9 hours ago - quote - hide comments Another confused person. The Bible doesn't say that a woman's place is in the kitchen. You really should learn how to make truthful statements.
I have seen enough to know that you give Bill Clinton answers. You deny being JohnLynch because he is not a real person. You believe it's truthful if you think of it that way. So the bible does not use the word kitchen. If it's not the kitchen, where or what does it say about a woman's place?