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Why accepting the Iran nuclear deal is a no-brainer

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smartypants 3
randyjet 17
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AwesomeTattooedDragon 37
Joe Blow 7
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witchywoman 3
Judas 5
the Markster 23
Prolix Raconteur 3
RayofHope 2
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RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

But, I still think that no deal is better than the current Iran agreement. 

the Markster --- 3 years ago -

Since Obama is not considered a leader by Europe, the Europeans will not go along with continued sanctions.

Really? Because the Europeans are on board with this deal. But your right about one thing. Arguing the merits of the Iran deal is pointless. Its a done deal. Time to focus on 2016. 

smartypants --- 3 years ago -

I still think that no deal is better than the current Iran agreement.?

I don't think we would ever get EVERYTHING we want at this point. Iran has no reason to trust the US either. What I keep thinking about is Iraq. Saddam Hussein kept insisting he had weapons of mass destruction in order to appear strong to Iran. He denied the UN weapons inspectors, because it would reveal to Iran the state of his degraded military capacity. All of it was bluff. We got a decade of war on a bluff.

Reducing nuclear capacity is the only chip Iran has to play, in order to lift sanctions. They have 30-40 million barrels of oil that they can't sell, stored in floating tankers.

We cannot afford the alternative, a military action. I don't mean in terms of money. I mean in terms of consequences. It would certainly trigger Iran's nuclear escalation. I don't want that. 

Prolix Raconteur --- 3 years ago -

The deal that just keeps on giving (to Iran!!). Now it's been divulged that the UN has agreed to let Iran inspect IT'S OWN nuclear sites without any oversight, The agreement cedes the investigative authority of the IEAE to the Iranian government. Of course, the Obama team dismisses this revelation as simply a technical issue.

Yeah, that's going to work out just fine....

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-19-13-06-05 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

. Of course, the Obama team dismisses this revelation as simply a technical issue

It is too bad that you do not understand the facts on this matter. Iran is a signatory to the NPT and as such the IAEA has been doing inspections that the treaty requires and HAS NO BEARING on the new deal which mandates MORE and effective inspections. In FACT if you do not like this inspection regime, you should support the new deal that is under discussion since it is different, apart, and more stringent than the inspection you cite. It is precisely because of this kind of inspection that we are in favor of the new deal since the IAEA inspectors will have unfettered authority anywhere in Iran apart from declared sites. The new agreement supercedes the NPT inspections you and I dislike. I can care less about this new report since the deal signed recently will be FAR more intrusive. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

The deal that just keeps on giving (to Iran!!). Now it's been divulged that the UN has agreed to let Iran inspect IT'S OWN nuclear sites without any oversight, The agreement cedes the investigative authority of the IEAE to the Iranian government. Of course, the Obama team dismisses this revelation as simply a technical issue.

Yeah, that's going to work out just fine....

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-19-13-06-05

Yeah, it's a great deal- 

Prolix Raconteur --- 3 years ago -

MORE and effective inspections. In FACT if you do not like this inspection regime, you should support the new deal that is under discussion since it is different, apart, and more stringent than the inspection you cite.

Might be more effective if they address the cumulative 24 day window for inspection while they are at it as well. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

Why? Iran wouldn't like that! Then there wouldn't be a deal! 

Judas --- 3 years ago -

Now it's been divulged that the UN has agreed to let Iran inspect IT'S OWN nuclear sites without any oversight, The agreement cedes the investigative authority of the IEAE to the Iranian government. Of course, the Obama team dismisses this revelation as simply a technical issue.


I just read your article and nothing you said is for sure. It could all be based on a lie from someone with an agenda. It's all classified Get a grip 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

Might be more effective if they address the cumulative 24 day window for inspection while they are at it as well.

A US nuclear expert addressed that when he stated that the window is irrelevant to inspectors since that short duration makes NO difference. You cannot paint over the evidence, bleach it out, or anything. That applies to non-declared sites which gives them access to ALL sites by the way. I defer to the judgement of nuclear physicist who work in this area. Come up with some folks like that who refute those statements,THEN I will change my mind. Hearing a politician say such things has NO validity at all, unless they have a graduate degree in nuclear sciense like Carter. He literally helped write the book on nuclear reactors. There are no current politicians who qualify.

Hearing Netanyahu say the same thing he has for the last 30 years is not proof or a valid point. 

Prolix Raconteur --- 3 years ago -

Okey dokey....

VIENNA (AP) -- Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

They aren't going to believe you- it doesn't fit with their lockstep opinions- 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

The FACT is that those inspections YOU think are inadequate are superceded by the new deal that was reached. The AP story DOES NOT APPLY to the new agreement since it is part of the normal, ongoing inspections under the NPT. There are now TWO agreements under consideration. The newest one which we are discussing here is about the new deal NOT the one under the NPT. In FACT that inspection could not be part of new deal because the agreement did NOT EXIST at the time. Is that too hard to understand or are you stupid? 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 3 years ago -

They aren't going to believe you- it doesn't fit with their lockstep opinions-

Nope. Even if the Iran leader himself said it, they wouldn't believe it.

"Death to America"............ they don't believe that one either. 

Judas --- 3 years ago -

They aren't going to believe you- it doesn't fit with their lockstep opinions-


O! If the Drag found it out on the internets some where it must be true!
It sounds like you and your cohorts need to try reading the whole article and other information out there. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

Judy, you don't even know that Kings Crossing doesn't intersect with NP, let alone reading an article! Lol! 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

Judy, you don't even know that Kings Crossing doesn't intersect with NP, let alone reading an article! Lol! 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 3 years ago -

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.............. Judy probably doesn't even live in KW. Like a few posters here. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

Lol! 

the Markster --- 3 years ago -

 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 3 years ago -

Another meme fail? 

Judas --- 3 years ago -

You're just a plain fail 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 3 years ago -

Boo hoo, Judy. 

the Markster --- 3 years ago -

A message from the President:
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SoupIsGoodFood --- 3 years ago -

Another ignorant meme. 

the Markster --- 3 years ago -

Another ignorant meme.
Another pointless post. 

Judas --- 3 years ago -

All he's ever got is pointless posts.

WASHINGTON (AP) ? President Barack Obama's nuclear agreement with Iran won an important endorsement Friday from Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler of New York, who bucked opposition from fellow New York Jewish lawmakers including his home state's senior senator, Chuck Schumer.

Nadler's endorsement followed a personal appeal from Obama, who sent him a letter earlier this week defending the deal and pledging that the U.S. will continue to put economic pressure on Iran and keep military options open.

"I bring to my analysis the full weight of my responsibilities as a member of Congress, and my perspective as an American Jew who is both a Democrat and a strong supporter of Israel," Nadler said in a statement. He said he'd concluded that of the alternatives, the agreement "gives us the best chance of stopping Iran from developing a nuclear weapon."

The deal seeks to keep Iran from building a nuclear bomb in exchange for billions in international sanctions relief. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is vehemently opposed to the agreement. (who gives a sh#t what this yahoo thinks anuyway)

"In our conversations, Jerry raised specific concerns relating to Israeli security and the U.S. commitment to countering Iran's destabilizing activities in the region," Obama said Friday. "I wanted to respond to the thoughtful questions Jerry raised, and I am pleased that our discussions were ultimately productive."

Nadler's announcement comes at the end of a week that's seen the deal pick up a steady stream of Democratic support in the House of Representatives and Senate despite furious opposition from Republicans who say it makes too many concessions to Iran and could actually enable that country to go nuclear. (Repub morons) 

Joe Blow --- 3 years ago -

Perfect meme, Mark, thanks for posting. 

smartypants --- 3 years ago -

Now it's been divulged that the UN has agreed to let Iran inspect IT'S OWN nuclear sites without any oversight

That story was a ploy. Bad AP! 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 3 years ago -

All he's ever got is pointless posts.

A meme is the epitome of a pointless post. 

witchywoman --- 3 years ago -

Now it's been divulged that the UN has agreed to let Iran inspect IT'S OWN nuclear sites without any oversight

That story was a ploy. Bad AP!



That's for uncovering that for us, smartypants.

Everyone needs to be aware of it.



AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 2 days ago - quote - hide comments
The deal that just keeps on giving (to Iran!!). Now it's been divulged that the UN has agreed to let Iran inspect IT'S OWN nuclear sites without any oversight, The agreement cedes the investigative authority of the IEAE to the Iranian government. Of course, the Obama team dismisses this revelation as simply a technical issue.

Yeah, that's going to work out just fine....

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-19-13-06-05

Yeah, it's a great deal-
 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 3 years ago -

Ahem..........

Washington (CNN)The Obama administration is acknowledging that Iranians would be involved in inspections of the sensitive Parchin military site under a draft arrangement with the U.N., but officials are stressing that they are not the only ones who would be investigating the Iranian location long believed to have hosted covert militarized nuclear activity.

A senior State Department official said that the U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, or IAEA, would have "total oversight" of sampling and inspections of Parchin under the agreement between the agency and Iran over access to the site.

"Iran is not self-inspecting," the official said, though this official would not deny that Iranian inspectors will "play a role."

It seems likely that IAEA staff would either be present or watching via video camera when the Iranians take samples from the site, a practice that the international nuclear agency has used in previous inspections agreements.

A senior administration official, meanwhile, said that while Iranians may be taking the samples at Parchin, individuals from other countries will be a part of their analysis. The official noted that the arrangement satisfies the demands of the IAEA.

Source


You people are fools if you don't think Iran is going to cheat at every chance they get. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

Oh, I'm so surprised! Not. 

Blow Joe --- 3 years ago -

If you are for it, now we KNOW its a bad deal. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

Whom are you addressing? 

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