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Breaking: Special counsel's investigation is now looking at Trump for possibly obstructing justice.

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JustWatching --- 4 days ago -

JustWatching --- 3 days ago - quote - hide comments
BTW...fuzz, just so you know the legal definition of "obstruction of justice" there must be a corrupt act which must have one of the following five things:
1. a lie
2. a threat
3. a bribe
4. destruction of evidence
5. or concealing of documents

Comey alleges none of these, so what the President did does not constitute obstruction. This "investigation" is dead in the water before it starts. BTW...fuzz, if you don't believe me, ask a lawyer friend and see what he/she says.

(You must have at least one of those things to constitute a corrupt act for there to be obstruction.)



Just so you don't have to search...here is the definition. 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

Just Watching - just fyi your posts on here seem centered on an investigation on collusion - the primary focus of the investigation is for Russian interference in out election.

Comey is not under investigation for anything as far as I know - so not sure there can be any conflict of interest - with a witness.

Again - the main charge of the investigation is into Russian interference in our election - not sure why any american would be against understanding this better, and seeing if we can do anything to mitigate it. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

the main charge of the investigation is into Russian interference in our election

What is interference? Did they stand at the polls and look menacing in an effort to intimidate a certain demographic set of voters like the Black Panthers did?

Were they instrumental in voter suppression efforts by supporting voter ID requirements?

Did they donate money to support one candidate or the other via surrogates?

Did they hack into one or more voting machines or tabulation systems? (That's already been debunked)

What exactly is being investigated?


Why start investigating whatever it is now when its been happening for decades? 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

What is interference? Did they stand at the polls and look menacing in an effort to intimidate a certain demographic set of voters like the Black Panthers did?

Top of my head i think they have a few thousand verified hacking attempts.

However, not sure your reluctance - the Dept of Justice has a concern that there was a significant attempt by a foreign country to try and influence our election. They are investigating it. Still not sure why any position other than.

" I hope they do a through job, and I await their findings'

Makes any sense. 

wayward1 --- 3 days ago -

What exactly is being investigated?

Did the Russians meet with members of Trump's campaign team in an effort to reverse U.S. sanctions against Russia - thereby undermining the laws of the United States.

Did they ever knowingly mislead U.S. officials about these meetings?

Did they ever cajole or intimidate U.S. officials from investigating these incidents?

Maybe, we'll know when the investigation is over. But if the answers is yes to any of those concerns, someone is in serious trouble. 

Tryingto --- 3 days ago -

Why start investigating whatever it is now when its been happening for decades?

I started voting in one of those refrigerator machines with a shower curtain. We had phones attached to the wall with a curly cord. The opportunities for infiltration seem a little more robust as technology has expanded. And James Bond died. IMO 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

attempt by a foreign country to try and influence our election.

There's nothing new about that? 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

Did the Russians meet with members of Trump's campaign team in an effort to reverse U.S. sanctions against Russia - thereby undermining the laws of the United States.

Did they ever knowingly mislead U.S. officials about these meetings?

Did they ever cajole or intimidate U.S. officials from investigating these incidents?

Maybe, we'll know when the investigation is over. But if the answers is yes to any of those concerns, someone is in serious trouble.


Oh so this is an investigation of Trump (you hope), and not this nebulous "Russian interference" in our election. 

wayward1 --- 3 days ago -

Oh so this is an investigation of Trump (you hope), and not this nebulous "Russian interference" in our election.?

One led to the other. The more the U.S. government is investigating the breadth of Russia's interference in the election, the more they are finding meetings with Trump campaign officials. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

The more the U.S. government is investigating the breadth of Russia's interference in the election

How did they interfere in the election? 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

There's nothing new about that?

and ?? does that in some way make it OK?? Or a good reason to stop an ongoing investigation before it is completed ??

Can you answer why all the push back Emp? What is the downside?? Why not just wait for the findings now ?? 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

Because its an investigation with no crime therefore, no boundaries and therefore an investigation without end. It appears to be purely politically motivated. Show me the suspected crime?

Why now to investigate something that happened under several administrations?

Its an investigation in search of any crime in hope of finding any crime that can be tied to the POTUS. 

wayward1 --- 3 days ago -

Show me the suspected crime??

You're combining a couple of things here. The investigation into Russian interference is not the same thing as the investigation of Trump. If the Russian's hacked into GOP or DNC computers and released info to Wikileaks - that is not politically motivated.

When our intel community examined this, they began spying on Russian agents. That led to the Flynn meetings with Russia being discovered (and his eventual firing) and the charge of Trump's phone's tapped during the campaign. The FBI was spying on Russians like Kislov (sp).

Then, as more meetings with Russia by Trump's campaign weren't being disclosed (Kushner's back channel communications) the Intel community got more curious of Russian/Trump campaign meetings.
That's when Trump started meeting with Comey (our current he said / he said)

Now, the investigation is being run by the Senate Intel Committee (run by the GOP) and they are using special prosecuter Mueller who is meeting this week with the director of the NSA.

They will either find something or they won't. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

You're combining a couple of things here.

No, I'm well aware of all that you typed. I still want to know whats being investigated. 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

OK Emp - let just say all of what you say is true. As of right now, there is an investigation underway, by all accounts the person in charge is capable, and has the confidence of both parties.

What is the downside in letting him complete the investigation ?

as an aside - i think this started with the intelligence community having verified hacks from Russian interests into the DNC, and leaking what they found to wikileaks.

I find this unacceptable - I hope you do as well. 

jackass --- 3 days ago -

What is the downside in letting him complete the investigation ?



They don't want their side to look bad...is the answer. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

as an aside - i think this started with the intelligence community having verified hacks from Russian interests into the DNC, and leaking what they found to wikileaks.

I find this unacceptable - I hope you do as well.


That's been denied by both the Russians as well as WikiLeaks. Not that I trust either one, but I also don't trust that narrative put forth by highly politicized intel agencies or the Clinton campaign. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

What is the downside in letting him complete the investigation ?

How will we know when its complete if we don't know what they're looking for? 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

How will we know when its complete if we don't know what they're looking for?

When the special prosecutor publishes their results - 

wayward1 --- 3 days ago -

That's been denied by both the Russians as well as WikiLeaks. Not that I trust either one, but I also don't trust that narrative put forth by highly politicized intel agencies or the Clinton campaign.?

The Republicans in Congress believe it. That is why THEY commissioned this investigation through their intel committee. It has nothing at all to do with Clinton. Russian's digital intrusion into our election isn't up for debate. We're trying to ascertain the extent of it at this point. 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

That's been denied by both the Russians as well as WikiLeaks. Not that I trust either one, but I also don't trust that narrative put forth by highly politicized intel agencies or the Clinton campaign.

sounds like a good job for a competent, non partisan, independent investigator to me. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

I don't care what the Republicans believe.


Russian's digital intrusion into our election isn't up for debate.

Attempted or actual intrusion? Why not the Chinese? Why not the North Koreans? Why not the Iranians? They all make efforts to "digitally intrude" on a daily basis. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

It has nothing at all to do with Clinton.

On the contrary. If the Russians hacked into the DNC servers who is to say they didn't hack into the less secure private server of HRC? Is that being investigated? 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

sounds like a good job for a competent, non partisan, independent investigator to me.

Where is one? 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

Emp -

back to facts.

fact: the investigation is already in progress. That is a fact. No matter how much anyone agrees or disagrees with its genesis - it is, it exists.

So the only real question now is should the investigation be stopped before completion.

Since no one knows what they know. I can't see how anyone can have an informed view on that.

By all accounts it is in good hands.
Seems the best answer for all now - is to wait for their results. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

the investigation is already in progress.

Investigation of what? Interference again? 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

Where is one?

there was, as far as I can remember, almost universal - bi partisan support for Mr. Mueller. This only seemed to change after it became a story that he may be looking into an obstruction of justice issue. 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

Investigation of what? Interference again?

please Emp - 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

Mr. Mueller. This only seemed to change after it became a story that he may be looking into an obstruction of justice issue.

I thought he was investigating Russian interference? 

Tryingto --- 3 days ago -

Why start investigating whatever it is now when its been happening for decades?

a. It's the Year of the Rabbit
b. Higher than normal viewings of WarGames on Netflix in Russia the past 12 months
c. Russians hacked into the DNC, messing with the election
d. It's a vast left wing conspiracy to discredit Trump
e. It's a Russian conspiracy to incite create unrest and incite Civil War
f. TBD--Investigation unfolds

Is there a Red in your bed, Emperor? 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 3 days ago -

Investigation of what? Interference again?

please Emp -


You seem to be ok with unchecked government power to open an investigation of something nebulous just to "see where it goes". You're ok with that level of government power? I'm not.

Lets investigate you and your finances, sex life, diet, reading habits, etc. just to see where it goes. 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

I thought he was investigating Russian interference?

And where that leads -

but you now have used 2 posts up without in any way addressing the fact that an investigation does exist -

do you want to end it before it completes ? 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

You seem to be ok with unchecked government power to open an investigation of something nebulous just to "see where it goes". You're ok with that level of government power? I'm not.

Lets investigate you and your finances, sex life, diet, reading habits, etc. just to see where it goes


make that 3 posts - the fact remains - the investigation exists - do you want to stop it now ? 

AMDG --- 3 days ago -

Lets investigate you and your finances, sex life, diet, reading habits, etc. just to see where it goes

That could make for the most boring 2 minutes of your life :) 

Joe Blow --- 3 days ago -

Trump's going down hard. He is one hot uncontrollable psycho mess. 

Tryingto --- 3 days ago -

Lets investigate you and your finances, sex life, diet, reading habits, etc. just to see where it goes.

If you run on a secure the borders platform, then secure them and address proven threats, such as the Russians, as stated by the FBI director.

If you are the leader of a democracy, respect the rule of law and process for pursuing justice. He has used the judicial system to clobber his competition by out suiting them. It doesn't look like deep pockets work here. Bummer. There are a lot of Americans who relate to being the underdog before the investigation starts. Because they lack finances, or an education.

Don't cry poor-privacy challenged Trump, when the man has been on Stern promoting his sex life, bragged about his finances and conquers and has used the media, and now the White House, to promote himself and businesses and then cry foul when you get fact checked or someone calls BS.

The free press isn't his PR machine, which is why it's free, and a central part of democracy. The press have a responsibility for accuracy, just as he does. The other part rests in the people, and their due diligence. Which is why the least educated are most vulnerable to logical fallacies, and advertising techniques, and have the most to loose. 

Joe Blow --- 3 days ago -

Since when have you ever seen the whole White House staff "lawyer up" over "fake news"?

Yeah, me neither.

LMFAO 

Prolix Raconteur --- 3 days ago -

Trump's going down hard. He is one hot uncontrollable psycho mess.

Someone sounds smitten. 

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