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Tubal ligation for welfare moms coming to a state near you...I heard it, didn't believe it

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planemom 1
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~sassy~ --- 5 years ago -

My uncle's wife's nephew's wife (are you following?) was told this week that in order to continue receiving benefits she would need to be sterilized. They have three children and one on the way. As much as I believe these women should WANT to use birth control, for some reason many don't, though they are free for the asking. As for birth control, I believe they should be given the option of the five year shot as opposed to the more permenant tubaligation. Her Own Good -- WITH THE 'FAMILY CAP,' THE STATE SAYS TO WELFARE MOMS: NO MORE BABIES!(Sojourner A. vs. The New Jersey Department of welfare Angela B. sits at a card table in the dilapidated nave of St. Joseph's Church in Elizabeth, New Jersey. The church, whose floors are covered with thin, wrinkled wall-to-wall carpeting, has forgone statues of Christ, lofty tributes to the Holy Trinity and stained-glass renditions of the Ten Commandments in favor of more prosaic stuff. Computers line the walls, garbage bags full of donated clothes are piled in a corner, five kids in an after-school program lounge on the altar doing homework and a scrawled sign warns: NO CURSING, NO FIGHTING, NO NAME CALLING. Oblivious to the noise generated by the kids, 33-year-old Angela (names have been changed to protect privacy) sits with her head in her hands, deep in thought. "Thank God for St. Joseph's," she tells me. "If it hadn't been for them I wouldn't have made it." Angela has been on welfare most of her adult life, and she has never been able to make ends meet. But lately things have gotten a whole lot worse. She runs her hands through her raggedly cropped hair and tells me firmly, "I wasn't thinking to stay on welfare this long, not fourteen years." I've asked her what I thought was a simple question: "Tell me about yourself." But she struggles. Her story unfolds in fits and starts. With long pauses in between. I give it to you in a nutshell: One of ten kids with an abusive dad, Angela was kicked out of the house when she was 13; she never went back. A sixth-grade special-education student at the time, she dropped out of school. She was homeless for several years. At 18, she got married and had her first child. At 19 her husband lost his job. At 20 she had her second daughter and went on welfare. Her husband abused her. She left him. She went back. She left him. She went back. During a "reunion" she got pregnant again. She delivered via C-section. She got her tubes tied--she thought. There was a mistake. She got pregnant again. She tried to get her tubes tied again. The Catholic hospital where she was a Medicaid patient resisted at first. She appealed to the board. She got letters of support. The baby was born. The board granted her request. In 1998 she finally got her tubal ligation. Why did she want it? The question strikes Angela as absurd. "Uh, duh! I got four kids, how come!" Then, thinking of her youngest daughter, Beth, who is 3, she pauses. And, like all moms, she rushes to correct any confusion between not wanting to have another child in the abstract and not wanting this child. "I'm not saying I'd take her back in any way, because she's an angel," she says. "And God blessed me with that one. She's a regular riot. A smart cookie.... Read the full article for free courtesy of your local library. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source: For Her Own Good -- WITH THE 'FAMILY CAP,' THE STATE SAYS TO WELFARE M... Search over 15 million articles for: tubal ligation for welfare moms? 

planemom --- 5 years ago -

It should be an option. Tubal ligation is much cheaper than years of welfare. I'm not sure about forcing it on women. However, I'd like to see some form of birth control required if they are on welfare. 

~sassy~ --- 5 years ago -

However, I'd like to see some form of birth control required if they are on welfare. Agreed, absolutely. 

mommie21g1b --- 5 years ago -

I agree. 

justforfun --- 5 years ago -

I agree. If the tubal is what it takes to stop welfare abuse who are we to say no? 

~sassy~ --- 5 years ago -

welfare abuse who are we to say no? I doubt these moms see the birth of a child as abuse, but the reality is, it's unwise and unfair to have children you are incapable of providing for. 

justforfun --- 5 years ago -

I doubt these moms see the birth of a child as abuse, but the reality is, it's unwise and unfair to have children you are incapable of providing for. I didn't say having a child was abuse. Having a child you can't support is and always will be. 

jamie --- 5 years ago -

Tubal ligation is much cheaper than years of welfare. Tubal ligation is permanent in most cases. Receiving welfare is not. I agree some type of birth control should required of this woman, but why such a permanent resolution for these women? Also, I wonder if people that work minimum wage jobs should be forced to get fixed for fear they might reproduce. Or perhaps all babies should be striped of their parents at birth unless the parents make 6 figures a year. Come on PEOPLE...lighten up. In some states they have a welfare to work program....you know where the parents actually are trained to function without handouts from the government. 

-Ray --- 5 years ago -

I like the idea. I think it is fair and just. Having everyone else raise your children is NOT. 

~sassy~ --- 5 years ago -

I like the idea. I think it is fair and just. Having everyone else raise your children is NOT. Many don't see this...But I would say most do. 

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