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Can someone explain to me what exactly is wrong with "chain migration?"

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Hiro Protagonist --- 116 days ago -

Allowing family members some preference seems like common sense to me. They would have a built in support network and have a higher success rate than just coming here cold.

Also, what is the reasoning behind the anti-migrant sentiment in general? Migrants have always shown to be a large net positive for the country. 

jackass --- 116 days ago -

False sense of ownership and nationalism... 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 116 days ago -

It's not "anti-migrant" sentiment.

It's anti illegal migrant sentiment. 

Hiro Protagonist --- 116 days ago -

It's not "anti-migrant" sentiment.

It's anti illegal migrant sentiment.?



That's not true at all. There are a bunch of changes that the Trump admin wants to make to legal migration to lessen the amount, get rid of chain migration etc.

There is zero evidence that legal immigration has done anything but help this country. 

urabunchcats --- 116 days ago -

Moderation is good.

Too many migrants is bad!

Too many migrants damage Americans quality of life.

Chain Migration refers to the endless chains of foreign nationals who are allowed to immigrate to the United States because citizens and lawful permanent residents are allowed to sponsor their non-nuclear family members.

It is the primary mechanism that has caused legal immigration in the U.S. to quadruple from about 250,000 per year in the 1950s and 1960s to more than 1 million annually since 1990. As such, it is one of the chief culprits in America's current record-breaking population boom and all the attendant sprawl, congestion, and school overcrowding that damage Americans quality of life. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 116 days ago -

What he said. 

RayofHope --- 115 days ago -

I know very few people opposed to legal immigration. They are upset over people swarming across our boarders illegally. 

urabunchcats --- 115 days ago -

Additionally...

If the immigrants don't assimilate in to our culture they should stay right where they are.

Historically immigrants would assimilate and become a part of the American culture.

Unfortunately too many immigrants are not assimilating. 

Blow Joe --- 115 days ago -

brings in millions more criminal illegals that always vote with the demcrats 

Jepperd --- 115 days ago -

Historically immigrants would assimilate and become a part of the American culture.

Do you know what you are talking about? Immigration in the early 20th century was exactly like it is today. Pockets of the same nationality in a community that largely kept their culture and language. It wasn't until further generations that we see assimilation. 

fuzz81 --- 115 days ago -

Where did all your ancestors immigrate from?

You?re all a bunch of immigrants. 

Prolix Raconteur --- 115 days ago -

They immigrated legally

fuzz81 --- 115 days ago -

How do you know that? 

fuzz81 --- 115 days ago -

Did you ask your great great grandfather? 

OrdinaryGuy --- 115 days ago -

fuzz81 --- 46 sec ago - quote - hide comments
How do you know that??


Because mine went through Ellis Island and yes I did talk to my grandfather. He did it legally. 

fuzz81 --- 115 days ago -

Under today?s laws he wouldn?t have been able to. 

fuzz81 --- 115 days ago -

So should you go back to wherever you?re from because your grandfather raised you here illegally? Would you rather that your grandfather was denied entry? 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 115 days ago -

"You're all a bunch of immigrants"


No, we're not. Our older family members could very well be. That doesn't make me one. Right?

If we want to place blame on someone for illegal immigration, we need to blame every administration who chose to do nothing about it when they actually could have enforced already existing laws, since forever ago.

It's our fault, period. Many of these workers are paid cash under the table so they don't pay income taxes. And that too, is bc our American companies employ them willingly bc they work for less. They send money back to their homelands. They need to pay income taxes like we all have to. It's contributing to the support of our economy which they partake in, and it's necessary.

So, what's wrong with it is we don't enforce, monitor and adhere to a process that makes it work and work well. 

fuzz81 --- 115 days ago -

Lol. Are you really that ignorant to basic history?

Yes, your family immigrated here. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 115 days ago -

I'm not an immigrant. Don't be ridiculous. I'm not one bc THEY were. 

fuzz81 --- 115 days ago -

Then why do republicans call dreamers illegals? They didn?t immigrate here. 

urabunchcats --- 115 days ago -

Legal immigrants who go through the legal and arduous process can become U.S. citizens. Their children are also U.S. citizens. My wife went this route.

At the very least - illegal immigrants not going through the legal and arduous process should never be given the status of U.S. citizen.

As well, their children should never be given the status of U.S. Citizen.

In my opinion we are making a huge mistake by not deporting all of them.

BS regarding the cost and ability to accomplish the task.

The overall cost of keeping them is far greater than the cost of deporting them.

Overall we would be much better of if lettuce cost $5 a head and having Tom/Frank/Jim...... cutting our lawn for $100. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 115 days ago -

"They didn't immigrate here"

What?? They weren't born here.

Here's the info for the Dream Act qualifications:

[edit]
Beneficiaries of the DREAM Act must meet the following requirements:[3]

They were younger than 18 years old on the date of their initial entry to the United States
Have proof of having arrived in the United States before age 16[4] (Dream Act of 2017, S.1615, Sec.3(b)(1)(B), and HR3440, Sec.3(b)(1)(B)).[5] [6]
Have proof of residence in the United States for at least four consecutive years since their date of arrival
If male, have registered with the Selective Service
Be between the ages of 12 and 35 at the time of bill enactment
Have graduated from an American high school, obtained a GED, or been admitted to an institution of higher education
Be of good moral character[7]
During the first six years, qualifying people would be granted "conditional" status and would be required to (a) graduate from a two-year community college or (b) complete at least two years towards a four-year degree or (c) serve two years in the US military. After this six-year period, those who meet at least one of these three conditions would be eligible to apply for permanent resident status. During this six-year conditional period, they would not be eligible for federal higher education grants such as Pell grants but they would be able to apply for student loans and work study.[8]

If they have met all of the conditions at the end of the 6-year conditional period, they would be granted permanent residency, which would eventually allow them to become U.S. citizens.[9] It is not known how many of those eligible would go on to complete the further requirements. One organization estimated that only 7,000?13,000 college students nationally can fulfill the further obligations.[10] A different analysis found that over 2 million individuals could benefit under the Act.[11] 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 115 days ago -

Not to mention our families that came over from Europe, etc. came legally- they had to learn the language because the test to become a citizen was only in English- they were anxious to become Americans in language, dress and behavior. 

fuzz81 --- 115 days ago -

Not to mention our families that came over from Europe, etc. came legally-

On what basis do you assume it was legal? After the late 20s there was a quota and many came undocumented. 

DatBoyHooD --- 115 days ago -

Fuzz thinks dreamers were born here 😂😂 

urabunchcats --- 115 days ago -

B.S "Fuzz thinks" 

jackass --- 115 days ago -

having Tom/Frank/Jim...... cutting our lawn for $100.


Cut your own damn lawn... 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 115 days ago -

fuzz81 --- 2 hours ago - quote - hide comments
Not to mention our families that came over from Europe, etc. came legally-

On what basis do you assume it was legal? After the late 20s there was a quota and many came undocumented.


Well fuzz, for one thing, it was way before that- and they were very proud to be legal citizens- you ask the oddest questions- 

kingwood resident --- 115 days ago -

The proper word is immigrant, not migrant. A migrant is someone who moves from state to state picking crops for a living. Chain migration allows all of the family and extended family to come here. There are expenses to our government, housing, medical, food, education and it goes on and on. For example, the Daca men and women (they are not children anymore, they are grown young men and women) they get living expenses, housing, medical and free college. Since when has the government doled out money to our kids. Since when have any elected officials (Democrats) fought for our children to obtain a free education? If you're a natural born citizen you have no assistance whatsoever, you have to make the best of it with what you have or else just don't go to college. There is no gratitude or respect for our country by the Daca group, it is totally disgusting. If you feel its okay to let them stay here and to provide all their necessities, then ask yourself this question "where in the world could I go and get all my living expenses and a free education?" Today I was totally disgusted with Lyndsey Graham who said that America did not belong to us, America belongs to the whole world. That's how he justifies allowing anyone and everybody to come here illegally or legally. That statement angered me because no one outside of the USA supports our country. I hope Lyndsey Graham will be removed from office next time he is up for reelection. President Trump has done a fantastic job despite all the unwarranted opposition to everything he says or does, I am so disgusted with all those that spew nothing but lies about our President. I just want to say "Thank you, President Trump, for making America great again." God bless President Trump and God bless America. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 115 days ago -

Where does it say they get a free education, KW resident?

This is the DACA guidelines for education, Oregon as an example.

"to attend a university? Yes. All universities accept students with deferred action.

Are students with DACA eligible for in-state tuition at a university? Yes. Beginning July 3, 2013, universities offered in-state tuition to most students who graduated from a high school. This is called tuition equity. It is important to know that DACA is not a requirement for in-state tuition. In-state tuition is available to DACA and non-DACA students.

A student will find that the enrollment process and access to other benefits at a university is easier with DACA than without DACA because of the ability to obtain a Social Security Number and an Oregon Drivers License. The in-state tuition rate is valid for only 5 years after the date of initial enrollment and is available only to students who attended Oregon public schools. There are other requirements to obtain in-state tuition. Please refer to our public advisory, What does Tuition Equity mean for Oregon students? (Apr. 24, 2013), available at: http://www.ilgrp.com/understanding-oregon-tuition-equity-faq/

Oregon community colleges, such as Portland Community College, charge a resident rate for any student living within their geographic area without regard to immigration status.

What is financial aid? Financial aid is funding that helps individual students afford the cost of attending college or university. There are 4 kinds of financial aid: scholarships, grants, work-study and student loans.

Is a DACA student eligible for a scholarship? Yes. Scholarships are privately funded financial aid. Some scholarships are based on merits, while others are based on need, student-specific or career-specific. Most DACA students are eligible for scholarships because they are not federally funded. Each scholarship has its own criteria. There are scholarships available for undocumented students and DACA recipients through non-profit institutions, individuals, and others. Some colleges and universities offer institutional scholarships and grants as well. Look first for scholarships that do not require citizenship or legal permanent residency. Though some scholarships require an applicant to fill out the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) to determine overall financial aid eligibility before making a decision on the scholarship, it is important to remember that a DACA grantee is not eligible for federal financial aid. The following website is a good resource for scholarships available for DACA students: http://www.dreamactivist.org/faq/education/scholarships/

Is a DACA student an ?eligible non-citizen? on the FAFSA form? No. Unfortunately, DACA is not an ?eligible non-citizen? status.

Is a DACA student eligible for work-study? No. DACA grantees are not eligible for federal financial aid or other federal programs.

Is a DACA student eligible for grants? No. Though there might be exceptions, a DACA student is not eligible for any grants at the federal level such as federal Pell grants. DACA students cannot legally receive any federally funded grants.

Is a DACA student eligible for student loans? Yes and no. Although DACA students are not eligible for federal loans, private loan providers are less stringent in their application criteria and may be willing to provide loans to DACA students. The DACA student may need a co-signer who is a resident to be eligible for private loans" 

fuzz81 --- 114 days ago -

Well fuzz, for one thing, it was way before that- and they were very proud to be legal citizens- you ask the oddest questions-?

Being legal before the late 20s wasn?t an accomplishment. There were literally no requirements to immigrate. 

urabunchcats --- 114 days ago -

The key point fuzzy one is that

IT WAS LEGAL!

Comprehend much? 

the Markster --- 114 days ago -

Can someone explain to me what exactly is wrong with "chain migration?"

Ask bob, he know everything about everything. All you gotta do is put up with his lack of style. The bobbettes might be able to help get his attn away from his self admiration. 

CartmanUK34 --- 114 days ago -

Firstly people need to get over this thing where they think you have to be a citizen to be legal, I am a legal immigrant and have no desire to EVER go further than that and become a citizen.

Additionally people need to realize that this chain migration thing is beyond exaggerated as it can take tens of years plus to legally complete the migration of one relative, not to mention the restrictions on who can come are pretty tight. If the relatives are coming ILLEGALLY that isn't chain migration.

Thirdly, the DACA kids have a legal status here, they are doing things the right way and people want to move the goal posts to make them illegal after the fact, they had no say in being brought here they shouldn't be paying for the crimes of their parents.

Finally this birthright citizenship thing is so dumb, you are a citizen because you happen to be born in a location? It may have been necessary when no-one lived here but it isn't anymore and you should be required to have one citizen parent to become a citizen or to be naturalized through the immigration system. 

jackass --- 114 days ago -

President-elects should have to take the same citizenship test and pass with a 98% or better to take the oath. 

urabunchcats --- 114 days ago -

....and they should have to present their United States birth certificate! 

jackass --- 114 days ago -

And their tax returns. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 114 days ago -

After reading Cartman's post, I went looking for the true definition.

"What is "chain migration?
"Chain migration" -- officially known as "family reunification" under federal law -- is the process by which green card holders or legal U.S. residents may sponsor a family member for immigration to the United States.

So if they're illegal aliens, not applicable to the term. 

kingwood resident --- 113 days ago -

DACA do NOT have legal status in this country. Secondly, the only one to blame for their status in this country is their parent's, not the President of the USA. 

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