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Butterbean --- 58 days ago -

After dinner conversations and other leaks:

When the president got on the phone after dinner, it was often a rambling affair. In paranoid or sadistic fashion, he'd speculate on the flaws and weaknesses of each member of his staff. Bannon was disloyal (not to mention he always looks like sh**). Priebus was weak (not to mention he was short,a midget). Kushner was a suck-up. Spicer was stupid (and looks terrible too). Conway was a crybaby. Jared and Ivanka should never have come to Washington.

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

Butterbean --- 57 days ago -

Feb 2017 CPAC:

"By the way, you folks in here, the place is packed, there are lines that go back six blocks"
(there were no lines outside the crowded lobby)"I tell you that because you won't read about it. But there are lines that go back six blocks. . . .

"There is one allegiance that unites us all, to America, America. . . . We all salute with pride the same American flag . . . and we are all equal, equal in the eyes of Almighty God. . . . We're equal . . . and I want to thank, by the way, the evangelical community, the Christian community, communities of faith, rabbis and priests and pastors, ministers, because the support for me, as you know, was a record, not only numbers of people but percentages of those numbers who voted for Trump . . . an amazing outpouring and I will not disappoint you . . . as long as we have faith in each other and trust in God then there is no goal beyond our reach . . . there is no dream too large . . . no task too great . . . we are Americans and the future belongs to us . . . America is roaring. It's going to be bigger and better and stronger than ever before. . . ."
***
Trump's extemporaneous moments were always existential, but more so for his aides than for him. He spoke obliviously and happily, believing himself to be a perfect pitch raconteur and public performer, while everyone with him held their breath. If a wackadoo moment occurred on the occasions, the frequent occasions, when his remarks careened in no clear direction, his staff had to go into intense method-acting response. It took absolute discipline not to acknowledge what everyone could see.

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

Butterbean --- 56 days ago -

Richard Spencer on Trump:

"Trump has said things that conservatives never would have thought. . . . His criticism of the Iraq War, bashing the Bush family, I couldn't believe he did that . . . but he did . . . . F*** them . . . if at the end of the day an Anglo Wasp family produces Jeb and W then clearly that's a clear sign of denegation. . . . And now they marry Mexicans . . . Jeb's wife . . . he married his housekeeper or something.

"In Trump's 2011 CPAC address he specifically calls for a relaxation of immigration restrictions for Europeans . . . that we should re-create an America that was far more stable and more beautiful. . . . No other conservative politician would say those things . . . but on the other hand pretty much everyone thought it . . . so it's powerful to say it. . . . Clearly [there's] a normalization process going on."

"We are the Trump vanguard. The left will say Trump is a nationalist and an implicit or quasi-racialist. Conservatives, because they are just so douchey, say Oh, no, of course not, he's a constitutionalist, or whatever. We on the alt-right will say, He is a nationalist and he is a racialist. His movement is a white movement. Duh."


-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

Butterbean --- 55 days ago -

Rich Democratic Goldman Sachs comes to the White House:

Bannon had announced himself as Trump's brain, a boast that vastly irritated the president. But in Cohn, Kushner saw a better brain for the White House: not only was it much more politic for Cohn to be Kushner's brain than Trump's, but installing Cohn was the perfect countermove to Bannon's chaos management philosophy. Cohn was the only person in the West Wing who had ever managed a large organization (Goldman has thirty-five thousand employees). And, not to put too fine a point on it, though Kushner was happy to do so, Bannon had rolled out of Goldman having barely reached midlevel management status, whereas Cohn, his contemporary, had continued on to the firm's highest level, making hundreds of millions of dollars in the process. Cohn,a Democrat globalist-cosmopolitan Manhattanite who voted for Hillary Clinton and who still spoke frequently to former Goldman chief and former Democratic New Jersey senator and governor Jon Corzine,immediately became Bannon's antithesis.

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

Prolix Raconteur --- 55 days ago -

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House

Runs out of yet another TV interview when confronted with falsehoods in his book.


http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/morning-shows/fire-and-fury-author-michael-wolff-flees-today-interview-after-questions-over-trumps-affairs/news-story/f88afc0a87abc60a6feadc01d10cbf5a 

Butterbean --- 55 days ago -

falsehoods in his book.

Nope. From your reference:

"You said during a TV interview last month that you are absolutely sure that Donald Trump is currently having an affair, while President, behind the back of the First Lady. I repeat, you said you were absolutely sure," asked Fordham, who was filling in for Karl Stefanovic.

website date: Feb 26, 2018, 11:08 am 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 55 days ago -

Runs out of yet another TV interview when confronted with falsehoods in his book.

LOL............ 

Prolix Raconteur --- 55 days ago -

He clearly stated Trump was having an ongoing affair and alternately insinuated it was with Hope Hicks or Nikki Haley. When confronted by Mika Brezinski on MSNBC he crawfished out of that conviction and got kicked off the interview. When confronted by this interviewer he fled the set. The guy is a douchebag and is cashing in on rumors and innuendo. Glad you are enjoying the book. 

Butterbean --- 55 days ago -

You submitted an "alternative fact", Storyteller.

None of your referenced material was in the book.

If you don't like the subject, stay off the thread. 

Prolix Raconteur --- 54 days ago -

Not according the interviewers he kept waffling around. Regardless, even if it wasn't in the book, if he's lying to the media about Trump and then backtracking to the point of getting kicked off liberal news shows, wouldn't that erode any credibility in the book? There's probably some reality in the book, as much as there probably isn't. I just take the palace intrigue with a huge grain of salt when it comes from this "author". 

Butterbean --- 54 days ago -

You submitted an "alternative fact", Storyteller.

None of your referenced material was in the book.

If you don't like the subject, stay off the thread.
 

Butterbean --- 54 days ago -

Kissinger assesses the White House conflict:

Here was yet another battle to be won or lost. Bannon regarded Kushner and Cohn (and Ivanka) as occupying an alternative reality that had little bearing on the real Trump revolution. Kushner and Cohn saw Bannon as not just destructive but self-destructive, and they were confident he would destroy himself before he destroyed them.

In the Trump White House, observed Henry Kissinger, "it is a war between the Jews and the non-Jews."

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

Butterbean --- 53 days ago -

Kellyanne:

The president's worst impulses seem to run through Conway without benefit of a filter. She compounded Trump's anger, impulsiveness, and miscues. Whereas a presidential adviser was supposed to buffer and interpret his gut calls, Conway expressed them, doubled down on them, made opera out of them. She took Trump's demand for loyalty too literally. In Ivanka and Jared's view, Conway was a cussed, antagonistic, self-dramatizing cable head,...

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

Butterbean --- 52 days ago -

Lack of experience shows:

The inaugural, largely written by Bannon and Stephen Miller, had shocked Jared and Ivanka. But a particular peculiarity of the Trump White House, compounding its messaging problems, was its lack of a speech-writing team. There was the literate and highly verbal Bannon, who did not really do any actual writing himself; there was Stephen Miller, who did little more than produce bullet points. Beyond that, it was pretty much just catch as catch can.

There was a lack of coherent message because there was nobody to write a coherent message, just one more instance of disregarding political craft.

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

Butterbean --- 52 days ago -

Maybe a twofer today.

Hope Hicks:

To the senior staff, she seemed not only too young and too inexperienced, she was famous among campaign reporters for her hard-to-maneuver-in short skirts, but a way-too-overeager yes woman, always in fear of making a mistake, ever tremulously second-guessing herself and looking for Trump's approval. But the president kept rescuing her,"Where's Hope?", from any oblivion others tried to assign her to. Baffling to almost everyone, Hicks remained his closest and most trusted aide, with, perhaps, the single most important job in this White House: interpreting the media for him in the most positive way it could be interpreted, and buffering him from the media that could not be positively spun.

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

Butterbean --- 51 days ago -

The beginning of the Russia thing:

The president's immediate focus was on the question of why anyone believed that communicating with the Russians was bad.

There is nothing wrong with that, Trump insisted. As in the past, it was hard to move him off this point and to the issue at hand: a possible lie to Congress. The Post story, to the extent that it registered at all, didn't worry him. Supported by Hicks, he saw it a way-long-shot effort to pin something on Sessions. And anyway, Sessions was saying he didn't meet with the Russians as a campaign surrogate. So? He didn't. Case closed.

"Fake news," said the president, using his now all-purpose rejoinder.

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

Butterbean --- 50 days ago -

It's Obama's fault:

Here was more confirmation of a central Trump thesis: The previous administration, its own candidate defeated, was not just disregarding the democratic custom of smoothing the way for the winner of the election; rather, in the Trump White House view, Obama's people had plotted with the intelligence community to put land mines in the new administration's way. Secret intelligence was, the story suggested, being widely distributed across intelligence agencies so as to make it easier to leak, and at the same time to protect the leakers. This intelligence, it was rumored, consisted of spreadsheets kept by Susan Rice that listed the Trump team's Russian contacts; borrowing a technique from WikiLeaks, the documents were secreted on a dozen servers in different places. Before this broad distribution, when the information was held tightly, it would have been easy to identify the small pool of leakers. But the Obama administration had significantly expanded that pool.


So this was good news, right? Wasn't this proof, the president asked, that Obama and his people were out to get him? The Times story was a leak about a plan to leak, and it provided clear evidence of the deep state.


Hope Hicks, as always, supported Trump's view. The crime was leaking and the culprit was the Obama administration. The Justice Department, the president was confident, was now going to investigate the former president and his people. Finally.

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 50 days ago -

LOL........... Have you been able to figure out which is fiction and which is true? 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 50 days ago -

I keep wondering why we are getting cherry picked passages from a discredited work of fiction. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 50 days ago -

Desperation. 

Butterbean --- 50 days ago -

I keep wondering why we are getting cherry picked passages from a discredited work of fiction.

Don't like the topic, stay off the thread. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 50 days ago -

Don't like the topic, stay off the thread.

That's your best response to the shameful practice of cherry picking from a work of fiction that you post as if it had any credibility? Guess what that does to your credibility. 

jackass --- 50 days ago -

Fiction...you morons keep dreaming and burying your heads in the sand. 

Butterbean --- 50 days ago -

Don't like the topic, stay off the thread 

Butterbean --- 49 days ago -

The nasty NY Times article:

This 13,500-word story - handily connecting the dots of Russia's geopolitical mortification, Putin's ambition, the country's cyber talents, Trump's own nascent authoritarianism, and the U.S. intelligence community's suspicions about Putin and Russia - codified a new narrative as coherent and as apocalyptic as the one about the old cold war. The difference was that in this one, the ultimate result was Donald Trump - he was the nuclear bomb.

One of the frequently quoted sources in the article was Ben Rhodes, the Obama aide who, Trump's camp believed, was a key leaker, if not one of the architects of the Obama administration's continued effort to connect Trump and his team to Putin and Russia. Rhodes, many in the White House believed, was the deep state. They also believed that every time a leak was credited to "former and current officials," Rhodes was the former official who was in close touch with current officials.

While the article was largely just a dire recapitulation of fears about Putin and Trump, it did, in a parenthesis toward the end of the article - quite burying the lead - connect Jared Kushner to Kislyak, the Russian ambassador, in a meeting in Trump Tower with Michael Flynn in December.

Hicks missed this point; later, it had to be highlighted for the president by Bannon.

Three people in the Trump administration: the former National Security Advisor, the current attorney general, and the president's senior adviser and son-in-law, had now been directly connected to the Russian diplomat.

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

Butterbean --- 48 days ago -

Sessions steps aside:

And Sessions was certainly not going to risk his job over the silly Russia business, with its growing collection of slapstick Trump figures. God knows what those characters were up to - nothing good, everybody assumed. Best to have nothing to do with it.

Without consulting the president or, ostensibly, anyone in the White House, Sessions decided to move as far as possible out of harm's way. On March 2, the day after the Post story, he recused himself from anything having to do with the Russia investigation.

The news of the attorney general's recusal exploded like an IED in the White House. Sessions was Trump's protection against an overly aggressive Russian investigation. The president just could not grasp the logic here. He railed to friends: Why would Sessions not want to protect him? What would Sessions gain? Did he think this stuff was real? Sessions needed to do his job!

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

OrdinaryGuy --- 48 days ago -

I looks like BB really loves fiction. Notice the book isn't making any headlines anymore. I guess the media figured out it was a lot of fiction. 

Prolix Raconteur --- 48 days ago -

Fire and Fury is Butter's safe space. He just wants to share. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 48 days ago -

LOL...... Living the fiction within ones own head. 

Butterbean --- 48 days ago -

Don't like the topic, stay off the thread. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 48 days ago -

Here's some non fiction for you.



As Peter Schweizer reveals, the Clintons typically blur the lines between politics, philanthropy, and business. Consider the following: Bill flies into a third world country where he spends time in the company of a businessman. A deal is struck. Soon after, enormous contributions are made to the Clinton Foundation, while Bill is commissioned to deliver a series of highly paid speeches. Some of these deals require approval or review by the US government and fall within the purview of a powerful senator and secretary of state. Often the people involved are characters of a kind that an American ex-president (or the spouse of a sitting senator, secretary of state, or presidential candidate) should have nothing to do with.

Clinton Cash - Peter Schweizer 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 48 days ago -

Here's more verifiable reality.


This blockbuster expos?eveals the mysterious multimillion-dollar Foundation gift from an obscure Indian politician that coincided with Senator Clinton?s reversal on the nuclear nonproliferation treaty; how Secretary of State Clinton was involved in allowing the transfer of what was projected to be 50 percent of US domestic uranium output to the Russian government; how multimillion-dollar contracts for Haiti disaster relief were awarded to donors and friends of Hillary and Bill

Clinton Cash - Peter Schweizer 

Butterbean --- 48 days ago -

2168 views and counting.

8 weeks on NYT bestseller list.

Don't like the topic, stay off the thread. 

txwareagle --- 48 days ago -

The Green Button you pressed to start this thread says "Start A Discussion"

If you are looking for people to not comment about something they dislike, you probably are new to the internet.

See, in 1983, Al Gore created the internet. The sole purpose was to allow for ease of argument, and to let the Russians hack facebook.

Soon after Kingwood Underground was born, and there would never be a safe over grown esplanade again. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 48 days ago -

This is lazy and unprofessional. Newspapers would fire reporters who engaged in this kind of shoddy reporting. The entire point of journalism is ferret out useful information, verify it, synthesize it, and give people facts and context that matters.

The Federalist 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 48 days ago -

Wolff could have spent the time running down every lead and rumor he writes about. He didn?t bother, because there are few riches to be mined in meticulous, time-consuming reporting. Much of the gossip he passes along has been known to reporters, themselves eager to run with Trump-critical stories. Yet many of these stories and interactions could not be substantiated.

The Federalist 

Porter Wagoner (Mod) --- 48 days ago -

Fire and Fury - this is what I usually experience when I go to Taco Bell for lunch. 

Butterbean --- 48 days ago -

There has been no active discussion of any quotes posted from the book, only persons labeling it a work of fiction without reading the book for themselves.

Anyone have evidence to the contrary of any quotes, feel free to post your evaluation, not some other person's review. 

Butterbean --- 48 days ago -

I enjoy the Taco Bell experience. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 48 days ago -

Anyone have evidence to the contrary of any quotes, feel free to post your evaluation, not some other person's review.

Why? You're posting some other persons view. 

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