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Fire and Fury

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Emperor of Kingwood --- 279 days ago -

Sources can misstate the facts accidentally, or deliberately. (A source for one of Wolff?s anecdotes, Sam Nunberg, has previously admitted to spreading made-up Trump campaign gossip.) And we don?t really know how much effort Wolff put into trying to nail down whether the juicy stuff we heard was actually true. Some anecdotes and details in the book don?t seem to match known facts; others seem outright impossible to verify. Some people are disputing quotes attributed to them. And Wolff is often deliberately vague about his sourcing.

vox.com 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 279 days ago -

Wolff apparently thinks his book will reveal to millions of Americans, for the first time, that their emperor has no clothes.

That?s unlikely to happen, for two reasons. One is that his Fire and Fury is laced with errors that reveal that the author, however knowledgeable he is about Manhattan media moguls, doesn?t know much about national politics. Dick Armey was never speaker of the House. Kellyanne Conway was not a down-ballot pollster. Donald Trump was not ignorant of John Boehner?s existence.

National Review 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 279 days ago -

Charges (in the book) that Trump secured his victory by collusion with Vladimir Putin?s Russia seem to be fizzling out. Instead, evidence suggests that the Obama FBI used Christopher Steele?s dossier ? commissioned by Fusion GPS, which was hired by the Clinton campaign for opposition research ? to undermine Trump.

National Review 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 279 days ago -

Wolff reports a snub of the president by Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell that a McConnell aide says never happened. Wolff has reporter Mark Berman breakfasting in a hotel restaurant Berman says he?s never been to. He misidentifies a nominee to Trump?s cabinet. There?s more, but you get the point.

Miami Herald 

Prolix Raconteur --- 279 days ago -

Emp is ruining Butter's fever dream. 

Butterbean --- 279 days ago -

Why? You're posting some other persons view.

Nope.

My intro tag lines are my own. I read the book.

Surely you can afford an ebook with all that tax relief that you posted about. Surely you can read. Buy the book, read the book. Post your opinion.

I may or may not enter into a discussion. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 279 days ago -

If you can't handle what I post stay off the thread. 

Butterbean --- 279 days ago -

Dang, Emp. Even I, living on retirement funds, without the benefit of a tax break, can afford an eBook.

I can read, and do.

If you can't afford the book, just say so and I'll make a copy available to you.

I can't help you read, however. 

Saturn --- 279 days ago -

If you can't handle what I post stay off the thread.

^^^ This ^^^ 

jackass --- 279 days ago -

Butterbean is triggering trumpflakes all over the place....lol 

Saturn --- 279 days ago -

[i]Butterbean is triggering trumpflakes all over the place....lol [/i

After 5 pages and 71 posts by BB, who copies and paste excepts from a book of fiction. Maybe, just maybe, people (trumpflakes as you call them) are getting a little tired of this gibberish.

Why buy the book when all you have to do is read this thread?

I know, I know, I know BB ... if I don't like it, stay off the thread. 

Butterbean --- 279 days ago -

I know, I know, I know BB ... if I don't like it, stay off the thread.

How perceptive of you.

2318 tired views and counting.

Edited to add: Maybe The Emp could buy Clinton Cash and start a whole new thread for commentary. 

Butterbean --- 279 days ago -

Trump discovers wire tapping:

He had no interest in precision, or even any ability to be precise. This was pure public exclamation, a window into pain and frustration. With his misspellings and his use of 1970s lingo,"wire tapping" called up an image of FBI agents crouched in a van on Fifth Avenue, it seemed kooky and farcical. Of the many tweets that Trump had seemed to hoist himself by, from the point of view of the media, intelligence community, and extremely satisfied Democrats, the wiretap tweets had pulled him highest and most left him dangling in ignorance and embarrassment.

****

But if tapping Trump's phones wasn't literally true, there was a sudden effort to find something that might be, and a frantic White House dished up a Breitbart article that linked to a piece by Louise Mensch, a former British politician who, now living in the United States, had become a kind of conspiracy-central of the Trump-Russia connection.

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

jackass --- 279 days ago -

After 5 pages and 71 posts by BB, who copies and paste excepts from a book of fiction. Maybe, just maybe, people (trumpflakes as you call them) are getting a little tired of this gibberish.



Give us some solid evidence of it being fiction....you seem very confident that it is so I'm sure you have first hand knowledge


I'll wait. 

OrdinaryGuy --- 279 days ago -

I do believe Emp has pointed out several mistakes in the book. If it was true the press would be all over it but it doesn't even make the news anymore. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 279 days ago -

First, Wolff is a partisan self-promoter with credibility issues the likes of which we haven?t seen in a very long time. We are used to Washington being divided, but the contents of this politically-motivated publication are so obviously false that the ?swamp? has descended to a new unimaginable low with its release.

Not only is it (the book) replete with simple ?mistakes,? such as President Trump having no idea who John Boehner is when they were previously golfing partners, it is built upon assertions that go counter to all that we know about the president.

The most obvious of these is that a man whose reputation for 50 years has been defined around the concept of winning, at everything he set out to do, had no intention of winning the election to the highest office in the land.

(An accusation that, ironically and critically, undermines an additional outrageous assertion that the book is being used to support, that there was in fact ?collusion? between team Trump and the Russian government. What is the logic of conspiring with Moscow in an election, if you never intended to win?)

The Hill 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 279 days ago -

Wolff actually admits on page 10 of his prologue that he cannot verify anything that he details in his book, and that what he has provided is a ?notional truth,? the merits of which the reader will have to decide upon by themselves. With this one statement, Wolff has done more to illuminate the political left writ large than any right-wing op-ed writer ever could.

The Hill 

Butterbean --- 279 days ago -

Have you actually read the page 10 reference?

The Hill copy/paste is just another copy/paste, available on many websites.

Maybe if you actually read the book or some pages in the book and voiced your personal analysis, it might be worth reading, whether I agree or not.

I read lots of things that I disagree with. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 279 days ago -

Reading the words does not magically make it become fact. 

Butterbean --- 279 days ago -

Wasting your time, Soup. You're blocked. 

jackass --- 279 days ago -

First, Wolff is a partisan self-promoter with credibility issues the likes of which we haven?t seen in a very long time


You misspelled Trump. 

Butterbean --- 278 days ago -

Trump's healthcare expertise:


Trump had little or no interest in the central Republican goal of repealing Obamacare. An overweight seventy-year-old man with various physical phobias (for instance, he lied about his height to keep from having a body mass index that would label him as obese), he personally found health care and medical treatments of all kinds a distasteful subject. The details of the contested legislation were, to him, particularly boring; his attention would begin wandering from the first words of a policy discussion. He would have been able to enumerate few of the particulars of Obamacare, other than expressing glee about the silly Obama pledge that everyone could keep his or her doctor, and he certainly could not make any kind of meaningful distinction, positive or negative, between the health care system before Obamacare and the one after.

Prior to his presidency, he had likely never had a meaningful discussion in his life about health insurance. "No one in the country, or on earth, has given less thought to health insurance than Donald," said Roger Ailes.

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 278 days ago -

Blocked....... LOL...... I musta got to ya.

Cowards block. 

OrdinaryGuy --- 278 days ago -

SoupIsGoodFood --- 2 hours ago - quote - hide comments
Blocked....... LOL...... I musta got to ya.

Cowards block.?


It's what the left does when confronted with facts they don't like. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 278 days ago -

Well, well, well, turns out even Michael Wolff, author of the ?Fire and Fury? book that has sparked such national discussion about the Donald Trump White House, admits that not everything he wrote is true.

In his prologue, Wolff writes, as Business Insider noted: ?Many of the accounts of what has happened in the Trump White House are in conflict with one another; many, in Trumpian fashion, are boldly untrue. These conflicts, and that looseness with the truth, if not with reality itself, are an elemental thread of the book.?

Washington Times 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 278 days ago -

Uh oh, LOL. 

Butterbean --- 278 days ago -

Read page 10 for yourself, Bob. Then write your own thoughts.

Soup has been blocked for a very long time, I'm thinking a year or more. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 277 days ago -

The author of the explosive new book about Donald Trump's presidency acknowledged in an author's note that he wasn't certain all of its content was true.

Michael Wolff, the author of "Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House," included a note at the start that casts significant doubt on the reliability of the specifics contained in the rest of its pages.

Several of his sources, he says, were definitely lying to him, while some offered accounts that flatly contradicted those of others.

Business Insider 

Butterbean --- 277 days ago -

Read page 10 for yourself, Bob. Then write your own thoughts. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 277 days ago -

Jake Tapper of CNN said that Fire and Fury "should be met with skepticism" as it was "riddled with errors and rumors" 

Butterbean --- 277 days ago -

Read page 10 for yourself, Bob. Then write your own thoughts 

Butterbean --- 277 days ago -

Medicare for everyone?:

All things considered, he probably preferred the notion of more people having health insurance than fewer people having it. He was even, when push came to shove, rather more for Obamacare than for repealing Obamacare. As well, he had made a set of rash Obama-like promises, going so far as to say that under a forthcoming Trumpcare plan (he had to be strongly discouraged from using this kind of rebranding - political wise men told him that this was one instance where he might not want to claim ownership with his name), no one would lose their health insurance, and that preexisting conditions would continue to be covered. In fact, he probably favored government-funded health care more than any other Republican. "Why can't Medicare simply cover everybody?" he had impatiently wondered aloud during one discussion with aides, all of whom were careful not to react to this heresy.

-Wolff, Michael: Fire and Fury- Inside the Trump White House 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 277 days ago -

Butters completely dodges anything Bob throws at him/her. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 277 days ago -

It's what the left does when confronted with facts they don't like.

Exactly. It's called hiding your head in the sand. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 277 days ago -

Wolff has defended his work, insisting that Trump is "a man who has less credibility than, perhaps, anyone who has ever walked on earth." He also said that he "absolutely" spoke to the president while researching the book. However, Wolff notes at the start of "Fire and Fury" that some of his sources were definitely lying to him while others offered contradictory reports, casting a shadow of doubt over the book's accuracy.

Forbes 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 277 days ago -

So Wolff flat out says that he believes that at least some of his sources were lying to him, and while he attributes some accounts to their sources, he acknowledges that this isn?t always the case.

This could be problematic for Wolff. He?s being accused of including fiction in what?s presented as a non-fiction book, and he admits that not all of his sources were trustworthy, but he doesn?t specify what?s fact true and what?s false. On its face, this sounds like a classic candidate for a defamation case.


LawandCrime.com 

Butterbean --- 277 days ago -

Read page 10 for yourself, Bob. Then write your own thoughts  

Emperor of Kingwood --- 277 days ago -

Much as Wolff has scores of points to tell the world about Donald Trump, I think there are extremisms in his journalistic scrimps and he drifts to pathetic fallacies as well as unverified journalistic thrusts based on the fact that Trump is a funny character and his personality complex and enigmatic.

Virtually, there is nothing new about the book that is not already in the public space except some rattling in Trump?s cage, which Wolff reveals.

The Guradian 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 277 days ago -

"Many of the accounts of what has happened in the Trump White House are in conflict with one another; many, in Trumpian fashion, are baldly untrue. These conflicts, and that looseness with the truth, if not with reality itself, are an elemental thread of the book.

AOL.com 

OrdinaryGuy --- 276 days ago -

BB loves fiction!! 

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