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AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

You read it- it applies to citizens. CITIZENS. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

fuzzy hot on my trail. LOL

#obsessed 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

Hilarious that you think ?life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? appears in the constitution 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

You read it- it applies to citizens. CITIZENS.

Negative. READ the article. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

I did, fuzzy- YOU read it. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

I'm an alien in a strange land!! 

jackass --- 3 years ago -

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


There. Now comprehend it. 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

Dragon don?t read too good 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of CITIZENS. of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the fourth president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory." 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

Lol. Funny you guys want to protect people breaking our laws by using our own laws, hysterical. 

jackass --- 3 years ago -

Funny you want to ignore the constitution. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

Due process is what they're getting, they just don't like it. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

When an illegal alien gets caught, ICE reviews the case, and usually deports them. 

jackass --- 3 years ago -

But your guy in the White House is hinting at shirking due process...which technically means that YOU could be deported. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

Lucky for me, I was born here- when my grandparents came over here, they had to be sponsored by a relative- learn English in order to pass citizenship test, and pay the relatives back- it took years. I doubt I'd be deported! 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

Hard to argue these points with people who have a tough time determining why the single word citizen doesn?t apply to the subsequent clauses 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

SMH. 

jackass --- 3 years ago -

I doubt I'd be deported!


Without due process who would you prove your citizenship to? 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

You should be shaking your head ATD. In shame. 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) 

Saturn --- 3 years ago -

Fuzz, you're simply copying and pasting tidbits of an article The Hill's Blog Website published in September of 2015 ... wasn't Obama POTUS then?

From The Hill Blog Website - September 29, 2015 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

Still waiting for an explanation of what the beef is?

It?s pitiful that this country is as good as they are to foreigners and yet when we need to impose some form of limitations bc the amount of influx is changing our society to our own detriment, some of you scream and whine.

You want proof? Why is everything in this country, an English speaking nation, now also in Spanish?
Why do we have ESL education? Why? They have been treated well here. But we have the right to limit how far and how much we offer.
Have you ever seen Mexico?s immigration polucies?
LOL 

Miss Understanding --- 3 years ago -

It?s pitiful that this country is as good as they are to foreigners and yet when we need to impose some form of limitations bc the amount of influx is changing our society to our own detriment, some of you scream and whine.


You are so full of falsehoods. We dont want children seperated. Who do we know who is for open borders, no rules? Give us a brake. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

Break. The other one is to make cars stop. 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

Fuzz, you're simply copying and pasting tidbits of an article The Hill's Blog Website published in September of 2015 ... wasn't Obama POTUS then?

Wth does obama have to do with it?

Was obama potus 129 years ago? 

Saturn --- 3 years ago -

Was obama potus 129 years ago?

What does 129 years ago have to do with anything?

You plagiarized someone's work from an article that was published in September of 2015 by The Hill, during Obama's watch, in an effort to give the appearance that those were your words.

So obviously this was an issue nearly 3 years ago. 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

Uh. Try to keep up. I know it?s hard. 

Saturn --- 3 years ago -

In other words .... crickets from you.

Got it ... 

Saturn --- 3 years ago -

You criticize Trump for simply enforcing a law that was already on the books as cruel and unusual punishment for people who illegally crossed the border, yet you give the Obama Administration a pass for what occurred under his watch.

The Obama Administration was not squeaky clean either 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

There was no law on the books. It was a trump policy. Obama only sent unaccompanied children to detention centers, he did not separate them from families.

How many times does this need to be repeated? 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

129 years has to do with how long it?s been settled that ALL people, regardless of citizenship or status have the same rights under the US constitution. 

Saturn --- 3 years ago -

129 years has to do with how long it?s been settled that ALL people, regardless of citizenship or status have the same rights under the US constitution

Nobody is arguing that, however, you seem to have an issue with Trump simply enforcing a law (yes, it was a law) that the previous administrations (Clinton, Bush and Obama) failed to enforce.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

Ok, show me the law.

It has been proven repeatedly that it doesn?t exist. Again, for the slow people: there is no law that separates children from families. 

Saturn --- 3 years ago -

Ok, show me the law

Nobody has said there's a law about separating children from their parents.

However, if they cross the border illegally, the adults are going to be detained and their children will be held in a separate facility until the courts can figure out what to do with them.

The parents are responsible for this, not the government.

Regarding the law(s) crossing the border illegally, you're an above average intelligence guy, look it up yourself.

However, in all likelihood, you already know this and you're just trying to stir up some drama.

Per your previous post, this has been a problem that dates back, at least, 129 years. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

I guess that was for the slow people, fuzz- 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

However, if they cross the border illegally the adults are going to be detained and their children will be held in a separate facility until the courts can figure out what to do with them.

Yes, and this was trumps POLICY in question. It was not a law. Obama and Bush never did this. 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

Nobody has said there's a law about separating children from their parents.

You literally just did a few posts ago. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

According to what I've read, there were families separated by previous administrations but there was no real law on the books making this routine, and it was much less than what Trump has done since he went with his zero tolerance approach.

He's reversed it. At least he did that. They aren't separating them now, right? 

Saturn --- 3 years ago -

You literally just did a few posts ago.

Fuzz, I did not say that there was / is a law that address's separating children from their parents.

Try to keep up, okay .... 

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