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Hiro Protagonist --- 7 days ago -

Why shouldn't those that pay the most taxes get the largest tax cut??


Because we have a consumption based economy, and taking money out of the hands of people that spend all the income they make is a bad idea.

Also, as much as republicans hate to admit it......... there are things that need to be paid for beyond the military and those funds have to come from somewhere. The rich have benefited greatly from living in this country, it is only right that they give back.

Lastly, if you need money you go where the money is to get it. If you need a loan you go to the bank to get money not a convenience store. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 7 days ago -

it is only right that they give back.

The top 10% pay over 75% of all personal income taxes. How much more do you want?

Because we have a consumption based economy, and taking money out of the hands of people that spend all the income they make is a bad idea.

Taxes take money out of the hands that spend it. According to the breakdown, families making 50 to 75K get a tax cut.

Also, as much as republicans hate to admit it......... there are things that need to be paid for beyond the military and those funds have to come from somewhere.

The government needs to spend less and stop wasting my money. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 7 days ago -

Here's a look at the tax cut data.

tax cut data 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 7 days ago -

We need a flat tax, where everyone pays in the same percentage. Bc what we have now is pretty basically unfair. Having a tiny minority paying the majority of all taxes is certainly NOT even close to having most people actually contribute. When most do then you'll see a change in people's attitudes. 

Hiro Protagonist --- 7 days ago -

Who is this tax cut trying to help again?
Then why are so many middle class people getting a tax increase?

millions get tax increase


But I thought Trump was "for the American worker." If you believe that you're an idiot. 

Hiro Protagonist --- 7 days ago -

We need a flat tax, where everyone pays in the same percentage. Bc what we have now is pretty basically unfair.


A flat tax is inherently unfair. 10% for a wealthy person does not effect them whatsoever while 10% for a poor person is groceries or a light bill. 

jackass --- 7 days ago -

Kingwood is such a bubble. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 7 days ago -

"

A flat tax is inherently unfair. 10% for a wealthy person does not effect them whatsoever while 10% for a poor person is groceries or a light bill.


The actual DEFINITION of the word "fair" means the same for everyone, equally distributed or equally collected. Just bc someone makes a lot more than someone else dosent mean it isn't "fair" if they both contribute the same percentage. It is fair, period.

What you're feeling is emotional, not logical. Everyone participating is what is actually truly fair. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 7 days ago -

A flat tax is inherently unfair. 10% for a wealthy person does not effect them whatsoever while 10% for a poor person is groceries or a light bill.

The problem here, is many of the poor get government aid, on top of not paying any taxes. Why is everyone'se's
job to support those people? 

Hiro Protagonist --- 7 days ago -

No. LOGIC says that 10% of 30k means a lot more than 10% of 300k. 

Hiro Protagonist --- 7 days ago -

. Why is everyone'se's
job to support those people??


Because you live in this country, and life in places without gov't assistance is terrible. If you have terrible poverty and no assistance you will have worse crime and terrible quality of life. You'll have slums, and Dickensian poverty. What type of world do you want to live in? One of the richest nations on earth and you don't want to take some of that wealth and make life better for everyone? 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 7 days ago -

"No. LOGIC says that 10% of 30k means a lot more than 10% of 300k"


so what should they pay? People CAN always chose to make more if they wish. But everyone has to live within their means while contributing to society and paying taxes. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 7 days ago -

no, I don't. It doesn't make sense to me that poor people should be taken care of by everyone else's tax dollar- 

Hiro Protagonist --- 7 days ago -

People CAN always chose to make more if they wish.


That may be the dumbest statement in the history of statements. If that was true the entire country would be wealthy. You can't just wave a magic wand and make more money. Many of the poorest people in this country are working multiple jobs. 

jackass --- 7 days ago -

Then why should corporations? 

Dorothy Parker --- 7 days ago -

It's so easy to sit back and judge when you've never been poor. Being born into a family with money, then marrying men with money doesn't give one a sense of true reality when it comes to the average American.

Sure, anyone could marry well, divorce, get half and then spousal support. Not everyone chooses that lifestyle. 

Hiro Protagonist --- 7 days ago -

no, I don't. It doesn't make sense to me that poor people should be taken care of by everyone else's tax dollar-?


Then you need a time machine so you can go back to 19th century England. Ahhhh the good ole days!! 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 7 days ago -

Dorothy Parker --- 43 sec ago - quote - hide comments
It's so easy to sit back and judge when you've never been poor. Being born into a family with money, then marrying men with money doesn't give one a sense of true reality when it comes to the average American.

Sure, anyone could marry well, divorce, get half and then spousal support. Not everyone chooses that lifestyle.

I didn't grow up with money, and I sure didn't marry money- I've always worked hard, and paid my fair share- I believed and I still believe that we all should contribute to our system. 

Hiro Protagonist --- 7 days ago -

If you don't think we should take care of the poor, why should we take care of people on disability or medicare/medicaid?

How far do you want to take it? 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 7 days ago -

Those are different issues. People pay in money for those benefits. 

Dorothy Parker --- 7 days ago -

You lie, Tat. You've had post after post about growing up in Chicago with nannies and Daddy had money. Don't play that game.

Besides that, your husband was disabled. By your logic, why should he have ever received any kind of disability? Why are his problems anyone else's responsibility?

See how different it is when it's your life and not someone else's?

Keep on judging. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 7 days ago -

LOL! My mom had a cleaning lady that came once a week! No nannies! My daddy had nothing when i was growing up! My husband was on disability after paying in a fortune to FICA his whole working life- This isn't a judgement, dot, this is my belief system, which is very fiscally conservative- 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 7 days ago -

"
That may be the dumbest statement in the history of statements. If that was true the entire country would be wealthy. You can't just wave a magic wand and make more money. Many of the poorest people in this country are working multiple jobs. "


You may chose to see it that way. However I AM that person who did exactly THAT. I have no college degree, no corporate work experience, stayed home to raise kids and now on my OWN much later in life and have to take care of myself. So guess what? I started a business and AM doing that. Yep, people can work harder if they need to and have to.

You can't possibly think everyone who is "poor" is that way bc some one waved a bad magic wand and doomed them to poverty all their lives? Some people are not motivated to DO better. Some people don't want to work or better themselves either. 

Dorothy Parker --- 7 days ago -

Keep telling yourself that, Tat. It won't change reality. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 7 days ago -

Please find that "reality" and post it. You are badly misinformed. 

Dorothy Parker --- 7 days ago -

You may chose to see it that way. However I AM that person who did exactly THAT. I have no college degree, no corporate work experience, stayed home to raise kids and now on my OWN much later in life and have to take care of myself. So guess what? I started a business and AM doing that. Yep, people can work harder if they need to and have to.


You were raised with money and then married someone with money, then got divorced, got a big settlement and now run a personal business.

Sorry, you were not born into blue collar circumstances worrying about whether to buy groceries or pay a utility so it isn't cut off. To say those people need to pay more so rich people pay less, it complete bs. That's essentially what you and Tat are saying, it makes me sick. Kept house wives looking down their nose on poor people.

Disgusting. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 7 days ago -

I wasn't raised with money, NEVER married a rich man, or get any settlement, and changed professions as a single woman, and worked my butt off to make my business successful. You don't know anything about me, and what's disgusting is YOU judging me on misconceptions. 

Dorothy Parker --- 7 days ago -

A single mom working at Walmart trying to make ends meet, spending every dollar she makes to pay rent, food, utilities and clothe her kids, should not be punished by a "fair" tax rate. So those in Kingwood who have no issues paying bills and having savings and investments, can have more.

I cannot think of a more selfish desire. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 7 days ago -

No personal insults, PLEASE DP, let's discuss the topic at hand and not degrade to fighting and bickering. 

Dorothy Parker --- 7 days ago -

Telling the truth isn't personal insults. I'm calling it like it is. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 7 days ago -

Kept housewives? Lol, You're wrong, about a lot. Back to the topic or let's move on. 

Dorothy Parker --- 7 days ago -

Ok, well correct me then. How were you able to stay home and raise kids without a job? 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 7 days ago -

So those in Kingwood who have no issues paying bills and having savings and investments, can have more.

But its those people who drive economic growth, not the blue collar pay check to paycheck group. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 7 days ago -

I'am not a proponent of a flat tax. I am a proponent of a national sales tax and no with holding other than FICA. 

Dorothy Parker --- 7 days ago -

No they don't, Emp. Who are bigger consumers? People who use every dime to buy consumable goods at the largest employer in the US, Walmart, or, people who put money in offshore accounts and wouldn't be caught dead in a Walmart? 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 7 days ago -

It doesn't make sense to me that poor people should be taken care of by everyone else's tax dollar-

Exactly. Its not my fault they're poor. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 7 days ago -

No they don't, Emp.

I'm afraid it is true. They're the ones who invest in the markets which funds corporate growth. They buy real estate and start businesses. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 7 days ago -

"Ok, well correct me then. How were you able to stay home and raise kids without a job? "


My ex went to college, and worked hard for a lot of years. And I gave up what career goals I had to stay home. That means I sacrificed to do so. When we split, that was the greatest challenge. We had issues but him not working hard wasn't one of them. We weren't rich people. We were middle class people living within our means. No fancy vacations bc we had college to pay for.

We are STILL are not rich people. I HAVE to work. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 7 days ago -

We are STILL are not rich people. I HAVE to work.

Isn't that all of us here? 

Dorothy Parker --- 7 days ago -

You can paint it however you want. The fact is, you could stay home and raise your kids because you had a spouse taking care of you and your kids.

A single mom or a low income family with two working parents, does not have that luxury. You want a flat tax which puts more money into the pockets of those who aren't struggling to take more from those who are.

There is absolutely nothing fair about that.

You are trying to compare your circumstances to that of someone who never had the income and comforts you have always had. I think it's wrong. 

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