Not to long ago, 20 days to be exact, I made a post about Cindy Jacobs. You can read more about Cindy here. Cindy's bold claim was that she healed a "barren" woman who underwent a total hysterectomy by speaking "words of truth." Unfortunately Cindy won't be coming to Houston any time soon, however I think I may have found the next best thing: Lady Apostle Helen Ukpabio hailing all the way from Nigeria.




If you can read that font, check out the full-size flier here. Make sure you read the bottom left: that's the important verbiage saturated with bold claims.

The famed Lady Apostle Helen Ukpabio will be coming to Houston's Liberty Gospel Church. The Houston Atheists are planning on protesting her being there. I think the KHA-Atheists might plan on educational, non-confrontational, viewing of her service. She'll be there for 12 days. I'm curious to go and see what she will say, or do.

You can read more about Helen Ukpabio on the Secular Humanists website. Here is an excerpt from the Houston Atheist's e-mail:

=== START EMAIL ===

Notorious Nigerian witch hunter Helen Ukpabio is bringing her destructive message of child demonic possession to the United States. She conducts sermons and makes "prophetic declarations" to incite hatred, intolerance and persecution of children that are alleged to be witches. Once these children are deemed witches they are tortured, abandoned and/or killed.

These are a few ways suspected witches are treated:

-Abandoned, isolated, discriminated, ostracised from the community
-Taken to the forest and slaughtered
-Disgraced publicly and murdered
-Bathed in acid
-Poisoned to death, often with a poisonous local berry (asire)
-Buried alive
-Chained and tortured in churches in order to extract confession

Ukpabio will be in Houston Texas from March 14th through the 25th spreading her hate and ignorance. I will be there along with many others to show Ukpabio that we will stand against her and any other inhumane organizations that abuse and murder innocent individuals. I also decided that not only are we going to protest Ukpabio's twelve day sermon, but also take a more pro-active approach and raise money for a UK based organization called Stepping Stones Nigeria. This charity combats the atrocities of Ukpabio and others like her by providing these abandoned children with an education, healthcare, clothing, counselling, refuge and protection.

Please help me by promoting this 12 day protest and fundraiser!

Facebook page for the event-
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stand-Against-Helen-Ukpabio/300276600023391?sk=wall

Fundraising website-
http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/humanityagainsthate

=== END EMAIL === 

good for her...at least she is trying. What do the atheists do to make the world better? Just criticizing Christians doesn't seem too positive. 

I don't understanding what you are protesting. 

I don't understanding what you are protesting. 

I'm not. I specifically said that. However, I think the actions that come about from her religious advice are certainly inhumane, and worthy of scorn.

Witch Hunts have real world effects, this is one of the clergymen pushing for just that. This is an excerpt from her Wikipedia page,

Quote:

Ukpabio has published her views in several books. An example is 'Unveiling The Mysteries of Witchcraft', in which she states that: If a child under the age of two screams in the night, cries and is always feverish with deteriorating health he or she is a servant of Satan. A fact not mentioned in the book is that these symptoms are common in young children, especially in areas like Nigeria with poor health and high levels of malaria.[3][original research?] She also produces a number of films to spread the view that children can become possessed by evil spirits through her film production company, Liberty Films, part of the Liberty Foundation Gospel Ministries franchise. The most famous of these is 'End of The Wicked' in which child actors are shown to eat human flesh and murder their parents.[4]

 

is it just attention you guys want then? If you are so opposed to Christians sharing their perspective and being vocal, why do you do the same thing? Why not just be yourself? 

I wouldn't exactly call this woman a Christian. I've read about the destruction she and others like her are causing to innocent children. Evan's not exaggerating. Children are, literally, being killed and abandoned due to her false teachings. Scary stuff. There was even a documentary made about it.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-8/episode-1/ 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_Children_in_Africa 

I wouldn't exactly call this woman a Christian.

I wouldn't either and I think she is crazy...just using his title. 

BTW, I can't seem to find any information for a "Liberty Gospel Church" in Houston. If you go to the website on the flyer, it's just a link to their "ministry." So far I haven't been able to find an address of any kind outside of Africa. 

BTW, I can't seem to find any information for a "Liberty Gospel Church" in Houston. If you go to the website on the flyer, it's just a link to their "ministry." So far I haven't been able to find an address of any kind outside of Africa.

I found this, here

Quote:

Ukpabio’s advert gives no address for the Liberty Gospel Church in Houston, although one of the phone numbers provided belongs to Glorious Praise Ministries. This church is led by Pastor Jonathan A. David (also known as Jonathan Agba), and Ukpabio was previously there in 2010.

Also on the site,

Quote:

Ukpabio’s targets have included a man who runs a hostel for stigmatised children, whom she denounced as a “wizard”; the governor of Akwa Ibom state, whom she warned to “remember what happened to Saddam Hussein”; and the British actress Sophie Okonedo, who narrated the Channel 4 documentary. Members of Ukpabio’s church have created an abusive website where her critics are attacked in crude terms; I am described there as a murderer and a rapist, and as married to a “mongolis [sic] idiot”. The site was set up by Ukpabio’s webmaster, and has her personal endorsement. (1)

 

What is a mermaid spirit? 

I'm trying to figure out why crazy people like Ukpabio frighten atheists so much that they would have to assemble to confront her. 

I was hoping that he was GONE! 

I'm trying to figure out why crazy people like Ukpabio frighten atheists so much that they would have to assemble to confront her.

Why do you assume that every negative reaction is based in fear? You say this a lot in political threads, too. People like this woman make me angry because they harm children. That's all there is to it. 

People like this woman make me angry because they harm children.

just how does she harm children?

you guys are hilarious...you immediately believe what an atheist posts about someone

Children are, literally, being killed and abandoned due to her false teachings.

and what false teachings would those be?...that satan or his demons can possess a child?...that's not false

btw evan...just for starters...your thread title is a lie and the third sentence is a lie 

you guys are hilarious...you immediately believe what an atheist posts about someone

No, I was already familiar with this woman due to things I read elsewhere in the past. I posted a link to the documentary. You can watch it for free online. There are other articles out there that address the problem of "African Witch Children." It's very, very sad. I always cross-check my sources. Perhaps you should do a little research before being so quick to simply take the side opposing Evan because he's an atheist. I don't think you'd like a lot of what this woman claims to be true either, frankly. I also don't agree with the title of this thread. I don't believe she's a Christian, much less a fundamentalist Christian. 

I posted a link to the documentary

and i can tell that the documentary is hogwash by the comment "Denounced as Satan made flesh by powerful pastors and prophetesses, these children are abandoned, tortured, starved and murdered: all in the name of Jesus Christ."

I don't think you'd like a lot of what this woman claims to be true either, frankly

and what would that be?...be specific 

LOL. She gets an endorsment from JL. Enough said... except that she'd make a great Civil War reenactment actress?? 

OY. Reading this thread on half a cup of coffee is pure insanity.

I'm opting for "avoid". 

I knew I shouldn't have opened this thread. Shame on me. Lol 

Some are "skimmers", just see WHO posted it, sometimes that tells a lot, lol, skim quick, exit thread, LMBO.

Believe me, you'll learn to "skim". 

She gets an endorsment from JL.

that's strange...i don't see where i endorsed her...but i am giving YOU my endorsement... 

Im confused about how the term "fundamentalist christians" is being used in the title. This lady doesnt seem to be a fundamentalist in my understanding of the word. Maybe Evan can explain? 

all i know is...

Jesus saves, heals and delivers!

i know nothing of this woman so am not qualified to comment but will say this...

Jesus is still stirring up the masses and increase is on the way 

Im confused about how the term "fundamentalist christians" is being used in the title. This lady doesnt seem to be a fundamentalist in my understanding of the word. Maybe Evan can explain?

I doubt he can.

It must be slow at the atheist factory lately. 

Im confused about how the term "fundamentalist christians" is being used in the title. This lady doesnt seem to be a fundamentalist in my understanding of the word. Maybe Evan can explain?


A fundamentalist is someone who rigidly attempts to adhere to an interpretation of the Bible. Her interpretation of the Bible is that witches are real and they're a force she can fight against. A lot of Christians have historically upheld this position: the witch hunts of antiquity were all very rational action by fundamentalists (obviously we'll judge some of their foundations to be flawed).

Here is a list of Biblical scriptures often used to substantiate these claims of Witchcraft. 

A fundamentalist is someone who rigidly attempts to adhere to an interpretation of the Bible.

But ... but ... but ... JL says there is no such thing as "interpretation of the bible". 

A fundamentalist is someone who rigidly attempts to adhere to an interpretation of the Bible.

actually evan...you're wrong...a fundamentalist Christian is labeled as such because they believe in the inerrancy of the Bible and the literal nature of ALL the Biblical accounts...the real label would just be "Christian"...because that is what being a true Christian entails

it's NOT because they believe in some personal interpretation of the Bible

fyi...demons are real...therefore, witches are real because they are just people controlled or influenced by demons 

hmmmmm..AWESOME...i was wondering what all the barren chics were doing this weekend. 

But ... but ... but ... JL says there is no such thing as "interpretation of the bible".

actually...you're confused on your comprehension of what you've read...there are people on this forum who express wacked personal interpretations of the Bible daily...maybe you should pay closer attention to what you read 

i think they should like post their meetups on local message boards. then maybe they could attract more followers. 

A fundamentalist is someone who rigidly attempts to adhere to an interpretation of the Bible.

well then I suppose everyone is a fundamentalist...you have an interpretation too! 

well then I suppose everyone is a fundamentalist...you have an interpretation too!

I do, but I don't attempt to adhere to it. My interpretation is in the same sense that I have an interpretation of Star Wars -- it only makes you a Fundamentalist of the Force if you live life as if you were an obedient Jedi (as judged by the practitioner). 

actually evan...you're wrong...a fundamentalist Christian is labeled as such because they believe in the inerrancy of the Bible and the literal nature of ALL the Biblical accounts...the real label would just be "Christian"...because that is what being a true Christian entails

So you don't believe someone can be a Fundamentalist if they believe that the Bible holds a single parable? They have to interpret all of it as a literal truth?

That's clearly not a definition I'll find useful. I'll keep my two terms distinct. 

actually...you're confused on your comprehension of what you've read...

Nope! Not me - and your reply is just another silly attempt to justify you own comprehension. 

So you don't believe someone can be a Fundamentalist if they believe that the Bible holds a single parable?

the Bible DOES have parables...and Jesus described them as parables...therefore, Jesus LITERALLY told parables

apparently your definition isn't useful because apparently you don't understand the meaning of "literal" 

This lady doesnt seem to be a fundamentalist in my understanding of the word. Maybe Evan can explain?



This is just Evan Carroll's attempt to once again ridicule Christians in his quest to make his Atheistic thinking more palatable to the masses. Yet he claims to be accepting to all.

Sadly, as he and the others who sit here daily making fun at JL and all Christians expense, they do not see how similar they are in the ferverness in their own beliefs. Their zeal at putting down Christians is no different than the strong preaching of the fundamentalist.

Preach on Evan -- you will only reach those of your ilk. Christians know where their hearts belong. 

Nope! Not me - and your reply is just another silly attempt to justify you own comprehension. 

lol...you're hilarious...no one needs to comprehend what they write

if my reply is silly...then SHOW me where i said " there is no such thing as interpretation of the bible"...when you can't do it...then maybe you'll realize that your statements are actually the silly ones 

the Bible DOES have parables...and Jesus described them as parables...therefore, Jesus LITERALLY told parables

I need to keep in mind at this point, that I'm talking to someone who LITERALLY believes the book of Genesis. That's fine. But, you can be a fundamentalist if you believe the whole book was a parable. It's easy to do in fact... What would you call someone who believed the Book of Genesis was a parable but rigidly followed the rest of the Bible just like you do JL*.

* This is supposed to read "your interpretation of the Bible" I don't actually believe, as you do, that people who believe differently are interpreting that which needs no interpretation. And, I do believe you interpret too -- as is required anytime you read text. 

But, you can be a Fundamentalist if you believe the whole book was a parable. 

nope...you can't

but i need to keep in mind at this point, that i'm talking to someone who literally believes that life originated from rocks