Ok, here's what has me so incredibly confused: People say that somehow gay marriage "takes away" from traditional marriage. That it degrades the institution and therefore our society. My question is, "How"??? How does gay marriage do that? Can anyone show me how my cousin Eric, who happily married his long-time partner about 10 yrs ago, affects my marriage, or anyone else's marriage, or the institution itself? They are productive citizens who live their lives like everyone else.

There are lots of things that destroy marriages:
1. Money problems
2. Kids and not knowing how to handle them
3. Infidelity
4. Growing apart and not knowing how to communicate
5. Emotional, verbal and physical abuse
6. Drugs
7. Alcohol
8. Etc.

But a gay person marrying another gay person? Truly, no one, in all the discussions I have heard pro and con, has been able to answer this question.

If you can shed light on this in a constructive way, I invite you to do so.

 

If you can shed light on this in a constructive way, I invite you to do so.


Good luck getting any constructive comments on this. I have yet to see anyone have a constructive conversation about this topic...which is why it isn't going anywhere. 

I hear ya, songbird, but I figured it never hurts to ask! I wasn't talking about just convo's on here, either. I'm talking years and years of discussing it to death on tv, radio, fb, message boards, etc. 

I wasn't talking about just on here either. lol 

I have asked why people think it is a RIGHT and that can't be answered either.

Marriage is defined by religion and should not be defined by government. For those who want government in our lives, they see what an abject failure this is yet they will never admit it.

Each religion has its definition of marriage and the separation of religion and government needs to be respected. 

Even those who want gov't in our lives (at least the marriage and women's bodies parts of our lives) can't answer the question. 

Marriage is defined by religion and should not be defined by government. For those who want government in our lives, they see what an abject failure this is yet they will never admit it.

But it IS defined by government whether it should be or not...therefore...it is a right. That is why they consider it a right. Whether or not is SHOULD be, that is a different topic. 

People say that somehow gay marriage "takes away" from traditional marriage.

plain and simple...marriage is between one man and one woman...marriage ISN'T two men or two women 

Government has defined it as one man and one woman which is the Christian belief. So since our government has accepted the Christian definition they have violated the Constitution and it should be thrown out, not tweaked or enhanced.

As the government has defined it, it is a right for one man and one woman. Therefore for any others it is not an option. 

Civil union, marriage...what the f.... ever . Gay Americans deserve the right to pass their benefits to their spouse. Don't want it to be called Marriage? Then call it something else as long as they can get benefits us heteros get.

I know in a lot of situations, esp in the sudden death of a loved one, it's next of kin that has the say so. So, if that person is gay, their spouse can't have any say so because they are not legally binded by contract to each other. See that, by contract, which is what marriage is. Regardless of your religion, it is a contract. 

But it IS defined by government whether it should be or not...therefore...it is a right.

sorry...but not true...being defined by government doesn't make it a "right"

murder is defined by government...that doesn't make murder a right 

I think we as Christians aren't saying the reasons you have given. We believe the Bibles definition of marriage, therefor we can't support gay marriage. We aren't bashing or criticizing, just simply voting against something hat contradicts are beliefs. 

splitting hairs. 

I can pass anything I want to my partner. It's called a will, trusts and insurance. 

*that contradicts our beliefs 

Then call it something else as long as they can get benefits us heteros get.

they can will their money to their sex partner... 

Marriage is not a exclusively religious event. One does not need a minister to get married a justice of the peace is sufficient. You get a marriage certificate for the court house not the church. To end such a union you once again are at a court house not a church.

The church needs to stay out of people's lives. If people want to add a religious ceremony to the government approved wedding that's their choice but it is not required by law.

Contrary to popular belief and shocking I know you also don't have to have a wedding cake!

It's a choice. 

splitting hairs. 

nope...it isn't splitting hairs...it's the truth

the splitting of hairs is trying to call it a "right" 

I can pass anything I want to my partner. It's called a will, trusts and insurance.


Not what I am saying. Your spouse can't make the call if you're a veggie sitting in a hospital. They have no right to do so.



Let's also take into account our service members. Don't ask, don't tell is gone. Yipee. You cannot become someones dependent unless you are married. Since homosexual couples cannot join in civil union in every state they cannot legally be put on said service members benefits. They cannot get Tri-care, they do not get BAH with dependents. Nada. 

so marriage isn't a right... 

Not what I am saying. Your spouse can't make the call if you're a veggie sitting in a hospital. They have no right to do so.


Yes she can. It's called a living will. 

Christians are not the only ones that define marriage as being between man and woman. So do Muslims, Jews, etc. 

even though it is something the government can grant or take away with the change of a law...

then what would you call it? 

Yes she can. It's called a living will.


YOU maybe.What about other homosexual couples that have not thought about that? 

No Songbird, it isn't.

It is a legal definition as currently defined by our government based upon religious principles.

This is why government needs to focus on what it is designed to do by our Constitution and get out of social welfare. 

Religion needs to stay out of state and government affairs. 

YOU maybe.What about other homosexual couples that have not thought about that?


So because of their lack of planning and adult behavior we have to do this?

Seriously you cannot protect people from their own stupidity. 

Religion needs to stay out of state and government affairs.


In this case, Government copied religion, it was not the other way around. 

JohnLynch - posted 12 sec ago - quote
People say that somehow gay marriage "takes away" from traditional marriage.

plain and simple...marriage is between one man and one woman...marriage ISN'T two men or two women

John - you haven't answered my original question. 

No Songbird, it isn't.

It is a legal definition as currently defined by our government based upon religious principles.

This is why government needs to focus on what it is designed to do by our Constitution and get out of social welfare.

Ok...then let's make a legal definition for them and call it something else where they get all of the exact same benefits as marriage defined by our government. Problem solved for everyone. 

even though it is something the government can grant or take away with the change of a law...

then what would you call it?

Rights cannot be taken away by a law.

Entitlements can. 

Ok...then let's make a legal definition for them and call it something else where they get all of the exact same benefits as marriage defined by our government. Problem solved for everyon


For years I have been advocating that - including numerous times here.

Everyone can have a license and a civil union - that's what gives them government defined benefits.

If a couple would like to be married in their Church, they can also have that after petitioning their Church. 

Ok...then let's make a legal definition for them and call it something else where they get all of the exact same benefits as marriage defined by our government. Problem solved for everyone.

I think this is a great idea, and don't understand why it hasn't been done yet. 

Gay is the sin of Lust. When gay you can't control your lust and engage in deviant sins of the flesh. People that can't control their lust also become child molesters, rapists and the now too common gay.

The real question is why do these sexual misfits choose to become gay? For women it is obvious they have never been with a REAL man, all the scissoring in the world couldn't match a weekend at my place. And the guys that choose gay - they are missing the chromosome required to be a real man - it's simple biology. The men gays have never known what it is to be a REAL man and somehow feel they make better females. It's all about the choices people make in life because we can now live outside the laws of nature. 

Religion needs to stay out of state and government affairs. 

sorry...but that isn't the truth...our country was founded based upon Judeo-Christian ethics 

Great. I'm straight. I don't need my marriage to be defined as a marriage. It is what it is. I don't care what you call it. A rose by any other name. I'll have a civil union with the government. Fine. It's a contract. Let's do it. 

So because of their lack of planning and adult behavior we have to do this?

Seriously you cannot protect people from their own stupidity.

So, if a young homosexual couple does not plan for potential death because they are young they are stupid? How long exactly have you had a living will? Did you make it the day you and your girlfriend became lovers? Did you make it a month after? You very well could have got into a horrific car accident between then and the time you made said will.

What about military members who are homosexual and have spouses?

I am all marriage, having been married for a while, and I am all for gay marriage. OR, as I said, civil union.

The government needs to take religion out of it and call it what it is. A union. If you are religious that's fine and dandy, get married. If you're gay, get joined civilly. 

Separation of Church and State. 

why do people...who say they are Christian...not care about people who live a homosexual lifestyle?...why are you actively advocating for them to live in a way that keeps them from spending eternity with God? 

Separation of Church and State.

no such thing...