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Vets Against Iran Deal

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NavyMom 1
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RayofHope 8
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RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

A group of veterans are running ads in the states of politicians favoring the Iran deal. The vets say the politicians will have blood on their hands for supporting a terrorist country (Iran). Please watch a very moving video. Vets Against Iran Deal 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

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SoupIsGoodFood --- 3 years ago -

Let's see who the first Obama cheerleader will be to call this group racist. 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

Let's see who the first Obama cheerleader will be to call this group racist.?
That argument seems to be getting old. 

Butterbean --- 3 years ago -

I'm a vet. I'm all for the agreement. 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

I'm a vet. I'm all for the agreement.?

Did you have someone killed next to you with an Iranian bomb? Perhaps you should do your own Youtube video. 

them --- 3 years ago -

I'm a vet. I'm all for the agreement.

What branch? 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

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Butterbean --- 3 years ago -

What branch?

US Navy. I've shared this before. 

NavyMom --- 3 years ago -

I hope they vote against it. On another note, I'm ticketed off that they're sending 450 troops to "help" fight i-sis. It's almost like sending them up the river. If you're going to send them, send them full force not just a handful. 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

If you're going to send them, send them full force not just a handful.?

Obama is into symbolic gestures without substance. 

them --- 3 years ago -


US Navy. I've shared this before.



With me?

Sorry honey. Some of us live real lives. 

a889324uu --- 3 years ago -

 

Jepperd --- 3 years ago -

People who are against the deal have zero alternatives. They would rather we just continue to isolate and further fan the american hatred of Iran while we continue to turn a blind eye to our oil buddies in Saudi who literally do the same thing that Iran does. 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

People who are against the deal have zero alternatives.

The news today is that North Korea says they will attack the United States. When you have leaders caving in to Iran and others, this is what you can expect.

It's true that freedom is not free, and when you have spineless leaders, like Obama and Kerry, war is inevitable. 

steinhoister2016 --- 3 years ago -


The news today is that North Korea says they will attack the United States.



I'm sure another president will put a stop to those threats...maybe we can shake our fists at them. 

Butterbean --- 3 years ago -

It's true that freedom is not free, and when you have spineless leaders, like Obama and Kerry, war is inevitable.

Let's see. What leaders of the past do you consider to have spine and what wars did they avoid? 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

People who are against the deal have zero alternatives.

Ray did not bother to answer this question. As for Obama being spineless, ask Bin Laden's kids about that. Unless you have three purple hearts, a Bronze Star, and a Silver Star, and served TWO tours in Vietnam,you have NO standing or credibility to call Kerry spineless. Sort of like the spoiled brat Trump who got out of the draft calling McCain no hero or a loser for being shot down! 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

I don't blame Kerry- he serves at the pleasure of the president. He also was in Paris during the solidarity March, and he didn't go at the order of the president. 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

Let's see. What leaders of the past do you consider to have spine and what wars did they avoid?

Ray has a point. In 1940 FDR managed to get the first peace time military draft put in place. The opposition was the GOP who fought against that in combination with the Dixiecrats. The draft was going to expire in one year if Congress did not extend it in 1941. The Congress only kept the draft in place by ONE VOTE in Congress, and even that required Sam Rayburn to pull some parliamentary tricks to get the vote.

After the war, we found out that the close vote was one of the major factors the Japanese used to determine whether or not they would go to war with the US. So the GOP and the Dixiecrats by voting against the draft and supposedly for peace, only ensured that we got war instead. This is hardly same as that period. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

Why would it be different? A strong military is the best deterrent to avoiding war- 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

Making deals with dictators is a dangerous game to play- look at Chamberlain- 

Eclipse --- 3 years ago -

Unless you have three purple hearts, a Bronze Star, and a Silver Star, and served TWO tours in Vietnam

Wait a minute, here. Let's get this straight Randy.

Kerry's first duty assignment was as an Ensign onboard the USS Gridley (a Guided Missle Frigate) that performed sea rescue missions for downed pilots in the Tonkin Gulf. He did not set foot in Vietnam during the 4 months the Gridley was on station.

His second "tour" (as you claim) lasted 4 months as a PCF Commander (Swift Boats) and he rotated out following his "3rd" so-called Purple Heart.

When he was discharged he joined the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in Vietnam and threw his ribbons (not medals, but ribbons per Kerry - ya' right) over the Capitol fence.

His claim is "I was giving them back" ...

As a Vietnam vet my "tour" was on PBR's in 69' (which incidentally, Kerry did not qualify for service on), so Kerry can kiss my ...

Edited to add: A tour in Vietnam meant your "boots were on the ground", which Kerry's time on the Gridley were not. The Gridley was on a "Wes Pac" cruise and probably stationed anywhere between 20 to 50 miles off the coast of Vietnam, which is much different than a "tour". 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

People who are against the deal have zero alternatives.

Ray did not bother to answer this question.


Netanyahu already answered this when he said no deal was better than a deal that insures Iran will develop nuclear weapons. 

Markster --- 3 years ago -

1st of all. When an organization makes a political move. It doesn't matter what the name is. vets for this or, Americans for that. Its B.S.

I for one am a Vet too. Any deal is better than no deal. Obama haters are going to propagate hate, no matter what this president does. These are the same haters that try to get rid of the ACA, equal pay etc. and offer no alternatives to any issue this president has resolved.
Who are these people? Republicans. Follow the money and poof. A republican appears. 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

: A tour in Vietnam meant your "boots were on the ground

So all those Navy guys who were on aircraft carriers were not and did not get the Vietnam ribbon? A friend of mine was on a destroyer that was off shore and took enemy fire. He got the ribbon, and one of his shipmates was actually killed. 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

Netanyahu already answered this when he said no deal was better than a deal that insures Iran will develop nuclear weapons.

Just because Netanyahu says it does not make it true. In fact he has been saying Iran was one year away from getting a nuke for the LAST TWENTY YEARS! The FACT is that ALL agree that WITHOUT this deal, Iran WILL get nukes in a year or so. The objection of Netanyahu makes NO SENSE. IT does make sense if his object is to get the US to attack and invade Iran though. That is his goal, not to stop Iran from developing nukes. So if you are in favor of war, then you should indeed be against this deal, but you should have the decency to be open about it. 

Eclipse --- 3 years ago -

Randy, I think you already know the answer to your question and those medals have nothing to do with your statement about Kerry, however;

The Vietnam Service Medal;

"The Vietnam Service Medal (VSM) is awarded to any service member who served on temporary duty for more than 30 consecutive days, or 60 non-consecutive days, attached to or regularly serving for one, or more, days with an organization participating in or directly supporting ground (military) operations or attached to or regularly serving for one, or more, days aboard a naval vessel directly supporting military operations in the Republic of Vietnam ..."

The Vietnam Campaign Medal:

The Vietnam Campaign Medal may also be awarded to any service member who, while serving outside the geographical limits of the Republic of Vietnam, provided direct combat support to the Republic of Vietnam armed forces for a period exceeding six months.

Incidentally, Kerry did not qualify for the Vietnam Campaign Medal, nor was he awarded it.

Regarding what someone told you about taking direct fire while onboard a US destroyer off the coast of Vietnam, he's pulling your leg. Unless he was on the Maddox ...

What was the name of the Destroyer and when did this happen? 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

As a Vietnam vet my "tour" was on PBR's in 69' (which incidentally, Kerry did not qualify for service on), so Kerry can kiss my ...

You are correct in that Kerry commamded a BIGGER boat with more crewmen, so he was more qualified than a PBR skipper who was usually an enlisted man. I will let others judge who was more competent and had more responsibility.

Your objection to Kerry is that he had the GUTS to oppose the war when it would have been far easier and politically expedient to be a cheerleader for a war we never should have been involved in. You obviously think it is the right of the US to attack a country which did nothing to the US to make them support our military interests. I suggest you read Eisenhower's explanation for establishing a US puppet government in Vietnam. He stated that all persons who knew Vietnam agreed that if a free election were held in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh would win about 80% of the vote. It was also the reason Ho agreed to free elections in 1956. ALL politicians are in favor of elections that they know they will win. 

Eclipse --- 3 years ago -

You are correct in that Kerry commamded a BIGGER boat with more crewmen, so he was more qualified than a PBR skipper who was usually an enlisted man. I will let others judge who was more competent and had more responsibility.

Say that to any PBR crewmember and you'd be picking yourself up off the deck ...

For someone who sat out the war in a mud hut in Turkey, stop trying to come across as someone who knows everything about nothing when it come to the war in Vietnam.

In particular the Mobile Riverine Forces ...

I'm still waiting for the name of the Destroyer that your friends friend was killed as a result of direct enemy fire.

knuckleheads like you just curdle my blood ... 

Eclipse --- 3 years ago -

You obviously think it is the right of the US to attack a country which did nothing to the US to make them support our military interests.

Ya', tell that to my Prostate Gland that was removed because of Prostate Cancer thanks to Agent Orange exposure while running the rivers in The Nam' while you were napping in that mud hut in Turkey.

And while you're at it, tell it to the families of William Flynn and George Simmers who were KIA in September of 69' on PBR's.

Jesus, you piss me off ... 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

Just why was the war in Vietnam necessary then? Why did the US betray our allies in Vietnam at the end of WWII? Why did the US support colonialism in French Indochina? FDR made it VERY clear to the French and British that the US would not give them a dime in aid to take back their colonies. I supported that. Why as an American don't you? 

Eclipse --- 3 years ago -

I supported that. Why as an American don't you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything I've posted, and why the hell would you question you my allegiance as an American simply because I served in Vietnam?

You need to read the SEATO Pact of 1954 and stop deflecting with your personal agenda.

You're over your head, Randy, and you're just throwing garbage at something you know nothing about.

Let me guess: some Vietnam Vet probably kicked your butt one day over your stupid analogies and now you've got a chip on your shoulder. 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

By the way Eclpise, the way I got overseas was that I volunteered for overseas after tech school in 1967 at the time of the US build-up and I figured I would probably get Vietnam. I guess you served in a different military where you get to choose where you are assigned and can turn down ones you don't like.

You also cannot read or understand what you read. Kerry did get two tours in Vietnam. To quote from YOUR post
or attached to or regularly serving for one, or more, days aboard a naval vessel directly supporting military operations in the Republic of Vietnam ..."

The ship Kerry was on lost one door gunner from their helo when it was picking up a pilot as they were fired upon.If you bother to READ the requirements for the Vietnam Campaign Medal which was awarded by the RVN, he got that because he was WOUNDED which meant he did NOT have to be there more than one day.

Your ignorance is showing all over the place! 

Eclipse --- 3 years ago -

Your ignorance is showing all over the place!

Bull ... and you know nothing about the requirements to earn the Vietnam Campaign Medal.

I already posted the requirements for it and Kerry did not qualify.

Now take your National Defense Medal (which anyone who completed Basic Training is awarded) and scoot ... you're annoying me. 

Eclipse --- 3 years ago -

By the way Eclpise, the way I got overseas was that I volunteered for overseas after tech school in 1967 at the time of the US build-up and I figured I would probably get Vietnam. I guess you served in a different military where you get to choose where you are assigned and can turn down ones you don't like.


What a stupid thing to say ... I didn't choose Mobile Riverine Forces, it was assigned to me.

Fact of the matter is; you didn't serve in Vietnam, so stop pretending.

Guys like you who never served in a war zone (much less combat) are a dime a dozen ...

Check out the website Guardian of Valor, wannebe's like you all over the place. 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

Fact of the matter is; you didn't serve in Vietnam, so stop pretending.

Now you are going psychotic on us since I have NEVER said I was in Vietnam! As for your SEATO reference, you forgot to say that S Vietnam was NOT a member! in FACT the US and SEATO NEVER got a request from that government to send US forces. The US simply invaded since it was a puppet government and thus the US had no need to ask for such a thing. Just like the Soviet Union invaded Hungary,and Czechoslovakia. 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

Let me guess: some Vietnam Vet probably kicked your butt one day over your stupid analogies and now you've got a chip on your shoulder.

I guess that Kerry got his butt kicked too which is why he was against the war? Of course, you have no decency in valuing his service or that of any Vietnam veteran who disagrees with your politics, which says more about YOU than them. Only those who bow down to YOUR dictates has any value to you.

By the way SEATO went out of business in 1977 and was useless for anything. 

Eclipse --- 3 years ago -

Randy, you are one delusional SOB ... and no, I don't value Kerry's service.

He was and is a fraud.

And apparently anyone who doesn't "bow" down to your beliefs is un-American and unpatriotic.

Stick it where the sun doesn't shine, Randy.

Have a nice evening and the next time you're at altitude, use the oxygen the line guy serviced your little puddle jumper with.

You're as phony as the day is long and I'm done with you.

You can have the last word ... 

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