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Kansas archbishop blasts Kaine: He?s an ?orthodox? Democrat but a ?cafeteria Catholic?

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Karras --- 5 years ago -

KANSAS CITY, Kansas, October 17, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) ? The archbishop of Kansas City, Kansas, has lambasted Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. Tim Kaine for supporting abortion on demand while simultaneously touting his Catholic faith.

Kaine is an ?orthodox? Democrat but only a ?cafeteria Catholic? who picks and chooses ?the teachings of the Catholic Church that are politically convenient,? Archbishop Joseph Naumann wrote in a devastating critique of the Virginia senator.

?It was painful to listen to Senator Kaine repeat the same tired and contorted reasoning to profess his personal opposition to abortion while justifying his commitment to keep it legal? during the vice presidential debate, Naumann wrote in the diocesan newspaper, noting that Kaine grew up nearby and credits his Jesuit high school ?with instilling within him a desire for public service and a commitment to advocate for the poor.?

?He said all the usual made-for-modern-media sound bites: It is not proper to impose his religious beliefs upon all Americans. He trusts women to make good reproductive choices,? Naumann wrote. ?And when all else fails, there is always: Do we really want to criminalize and fill our jails with post-abortive women??

Naumann brought to the faithful?s attention that Kaine ?appears to have no qualms with his public position conforming with his religious beliefs? on the Church?s treatment of the poor and opposition to racism. ?He appears not to be conflicted with our public policies mirroring the Ten Commandments with regard to stealing, perjury, or forms of murder, other than abortion.?

?It is ironic that Senator Kaine expressed such profound concern about imposing his religious beliefs on others, while supporting efforts: 1) to coerce the Little Sisters of the Poor and other faith-based ministries to violate their conscience by including abortifacients, contraceptives and sterilizations in their employee health plans; 2) to put small business owners (e.g., florists, bakers, photographers, etc.) out of business with crippling fines if they decline to participate in same-sex marriage ceremonies; and 3) to force every American taxpayer to help fund abortion,? he added.

Furthermore, Naumann wrote that he?s ?not aware? of a single pro-life effort Kaine made as governor of Virginia. ?He appears eager to champion not only maintaining the status quo but actually expanding abortion rights,? the archbishop wrote.

This is the ?real flaw? with Kaine?s claim that he personally opposes abortion, according to Dominican Father Thomas Petri, a theologian and academic dean at the Pontifical Faculty of the Immaculate Conception at the Dominican House of Studies. ?There?s no evidence of it,? the priest tweeted.

It does not ?require faith? to believe self-evident truths about human rights, Naumann wrote, attacking Kaine?s implication that only religious people are opposed to abortion.

?Why is Senator Kaine personally opposed to abortion if he does not believe that it is the taking of an innocent human life?? Naumann asked. ?I hope in his science classes at Rockhurst [High School] he learned that at the moment of fertilization a new human life has begun with his or her own distinct DNA ? different from the genetic code of both the child?s mother and father.?

?If he knows these truths of biology, why would he believe that anyone has the right to authorize the killing of an unborn human being?? the archbishop continued. ?This is where the reproductive choice euphemism breaks apart. Does anyone really have the choice to end another human being?s life? Our choices end where another individual?s more fundamental rights begin.?

Kaine?s claim that post-abortive women will be jailed if abortion is outlawed are demonstrably false, Naumann argued, because ?we actually have decades of legal history in our own country when this was certainly not the case.?
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?It is difficult to find a single instance of a woman imprisoned for abortion? before the late 1960s, when it was illegal almost everywhere in almost every case. ?The laws were enforced against the abortionists,? he explained. It is ?clearly ? possible to develop public policies aimed at protecting children, not punishing women.?

Furthermore, Naumann suggested it would benefit Kaine to meet with some of the many post-abortive women who face ?an inner imprisonment where the bars keeping them from freedom and happiness are the guilt and unresolved grief that inevitably ensues from abortion.?

Naumann exhorted Catholics to remember that voting means choosing ?not just a president but an entire administration.? The candidates of both major parties are ?very flawed,? but when voting, ?I encourage you to think not only of the candidate, but who they will appoint to key Cabinet and other powerful government positions if he or she becomes president,? he wrote.

?Be wary of candidates who assume to take upon themselves the role of defining what Catholics believe or should believe,? Naumann concluded. ?Unfortunately, the vice presidential debate revealed that the Catholic running for the second highest office in our land is an orthodox member of his party, fulling embracing his party?s platform, but a cafeteria Catholic, picking and choosing the teachings of the Catholic Church that are politically convenient.?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/kansas-archbishop-blasts-kaine-hes-an-orthodox-democrat-but-a-cafeteria-cat 

Joe Blow --- 5 years ago -

Pubies gettin nervous!! Especially Karass AKA urabunchcats!


LMFAO 

Karras --- 5 years ago -

Hey Joe/Fuzz/Judy Why are you stalking me? 

Prolix Raconteur --- 5 years ago -

LA Times/Rasmussen polls show both tied again. Rumble in the Jungle tonight. 

AMDG --- 5 years ago -

Here is the actual article - for point of reference -

Though he has local roots in the Kansas City area, I have never met vice presidential candidate, Senator Tim Kaine. From those who do know him, I understand that he is a very affable and likable person.

In the Oct. 4 vice presidential debate, Senator Kaine acknowledged he was blessed with great Irish Catholic parents and grew up in a wonderful faith-filled family. He also mentioned proudly that he is a graduate of Rockhurst High School, crediting the Jesuits with instilling within him a desire for public service and a commitment to advocate for the poor. I wish that was the end of the story.

It was painful to listen to Senator Kaine repeat the same tired and contorted reasoning to profess his personal opposition to abortion while justifying his commitment to keep it legal. He said all the usual made-for-modern-media sound bites: It is not proper to impose his religious beliefs upon all Americans. He trusts women to make good reproductive choices. And when all else fails, there is always: Do we really want to criminalize and fill our jails with post-abortive women?

With regard to the imposition of religious beliefs, Senator Kaine appears to have no qualms with his public positions conforming with his religious beliefs with regard to such issues as the church?s opposition to racism or our preferential option for the poor. He appears not to be conflicted with our public policies mirroring the Ten Commandments with regard to stealing, perjury, or forms of murder, other than abortion.

The founders of our nation actually dealt with this issue 240 years ago in the Declaration of Independence, in which they articulate certain self-evident and inalienable rights that government does not bestow but has a responsibility to protect. Our founders actually believed that the right to life is given to us by our Creator, not by the Supreme Court.

Of course, religion will speak about fundamental human rights issues. However, to understand that the government has a right to protect human life is not dependent on religious belief. As the founders? stated, these are self-evident truths. They are accessible to everyone through the use of reason. They do not require faith.

Why is Senator Kaine personally opposed to abortion, if he does not believe that it is the taking of an innocent human life? I hope in his science classes at Rockhurst he learned that at the moment of fertilization a new human life has begun with his or her own distinct DNA ? different from the genetic code of both the child?s mother and father.

It is difficult to imagine that Senator Kaine has not seen the ultrasound images of his children and grandchildren when they were in their mother?s womb. Is the senator unaware that abortion stopped the beating hearts of 60 million American children aborted legally since 1973?

If he knows these truths of biology, why would he believe that anyone has the right to authorize the killing of an unborn human being? This is where the reproductive choice euphemism breaks apart. Does anyone really have the choice to end another human being?s life? Our choices end where another individual?s more fundamental rights begin.

As far as Senator Kaine?s fear that if abortion is made illegal, our prisons will be teeming with post-abortive women, we actually have decades of legal history in our own country when this was certainly not the case.

Before the late 1960s when abortion was illegal in every state, except for the life-of-the-mother cases, it is difficult to find a single instance of a woman imprisoned for abortion. The laws were enforced against the abortionists. Our own legal experience shows clearly that it is possible to develop public policies aimed at protecting children, not punishing women.

Actually, I wish Senator Kaine would take the time to talk with some of the post?abortive women that are assisted by Project Rachel and other post-abortion ministries helping women and men find healing, hope and mercy after an abortion. Our current permissive abortion policies, placing the entire burden of responsibility for the abortion decision upon the mother, results in millions of women experiencing an inner imprisonment where the bars keeping them from freedom and happiness are the guilt and unresolved grief that inevitably ensues from abortion.

It is interesting that Senator Kaine expressed his personal anguish when as governor he enforced capital punishment sentences. He gave the impression that he attempted unsuccessfully to convince Virginians to abolish the death penalty. Yet, with regard to legalized abortion, I am not aware of Senator Kaine making a similar effort to convince his constituents to work for public policies that protect the lives of the unborn. Instead, he appears eager to champion not only maintaining the status quo, but actually expanding abortion rights.

It is ironic that Senator Kaine expressed such profound concern about imposing his religious beliefs on others, while supporting efforts: 1) to coerce the Little Sisters of the Poor and other faith-based ministries to violate their conscience by including abortifacients, contraceptives and sterilizations in their employee health plans; 2) to put small business owners (e.g., florists, bakers, photographers, etc.) out of business with crippling fines if they decline to participate in same-sex marriage ceremonies; and 3) to force every American taxpayer to help fund abortion.

This presidential election presents all Americans with a difficult choice. Both major political parties have nominated very flawed candidates. In making your decision as a voter, I encourage you to think not only of the candidate, but who they will appoint to key Cabinet and other powerful government positions if he or she becomes president. We are choosing not just a president, but an entire administration.

Finally, be wary of candidates who assume to take upon themselves the role of defining what Catholics believe or should believe. Unfortunately, the vice-presidential debate revealed that the Catholic running for the second highest office in our land is an orthodox member of his party, fully embracing his party?s platform, but a cafeteria Catholic, picking and choosing the teachings of the Catholic Church that are politically convenient. 

AMDG --- 5 years ago -

And some clarification -

It is not a test of ones Catholicism if you vote for or against a candidate that is pro-choice.

We are charged with living our faith and voting with a well formed consciences.

And we are charged with acting with the virtue of prudence when the choices are in conflict.

There is discussion in the church on the responsibility of catholic politicians with regard to abortion. Ranging from the far right believing it is a defacto excommunication - to the liberal view of the separation of the secular with the personally religious.

I agree of course with the archbishop on all his views on abortion, I also agree that every Catholic, including Catholics in public service have a responsibility to do what is within their power to do to end abortion. The VP candidate is lacking here. I also believe that Catholics in public service are also afforded the right to use prudence - when multiple issues are at conflict and can act for the common good - which is the main goal - at the expense of other goals.

I do not, and have never liked the term cafeteria Catholic - I believe it to be meaningless - we are all sinners - even the good Bishop, we all fall, we all have faults. Pointing to being a better rule follower than others seems more the statement of a Pharisee than a Bishop of the Church.

But I agree whole heartily with the bishop that Mr. Kaine's complete adoption of the Democratic platform on abortion is directly opposed to his faith. And the defense of having a public and private position is not a defense for the faithful. 

Joe Blow --- 5 years ago -

Hey Joe/Fuzz/Judy Why are you stalking me?


karass is urabunchcats!

LMFAO 

Karras --- 5 years ago -

Problem with Kaine as the Arch Bishop points out is he defends some of his actions because of his Catholicism (e.g Capital punishment) but then puts his Catholicism in the back seat on subjects like abortion. 

AMDG --- 5 years ago -

Problem with Kaine as the Arch Bishop points out is he defends some of his actions because of his Catholicism (e.g Capital punishment) but then puts his Catholicism in the back seat on subjects like abortion.

that is what I was talking about in "prudence" - There is no perfect Catholic candidate - ever. The Church's positions on abortion, the poor, immigration, care of the planet, war, consumerism, etc. do not align with any candidate ever. And as important - there is no hierarchy of items - one does not trump an other.

We are charged with using prudence for the best we can do for the common good.

We never know anyone's heart. But morally to me at least, here is the issue. He can be silent on abortion and accept the democratic platform if he truly believes it is prudent and for the greater good. However if he is adopting the democratic platform on abortion to gain the office, or any other personal motivation, than he would be at odds with the church.

All that said - it has nothing at all to do with if he would be a good or bad vice president - being a good catholic has little to do with being a good VP - it is hard for me to admit - but we have had more than a few good politicians who were not Catholic. 

Red Heifer --- 5 years ago -

He's not running for Pope. And now you're attacking someone's religion? That's pretty low. 

Dorothy Parker --- 5 years ago -

Karass is supporting Trump...are you really surprised by his religion bashing? 

txwareagle --- 5 years ago -

He's not running for Pope. And now you're attacking someone's religion? That's pretty low

Nope. The Bishop is calling him out for his public inconsistencies with the Church's views.

If he does not want to be a catholic, he should not be one. 

Red Heifer --- 5 years ago -

If he does not want to be a catholic, he should not be one.

so you're judging his religious beliefs? last I checked, that wasn't a qualification for president or vice-president. or neighbor. his religious beliefs are his business. and, from what I recall, there's this thing about "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." 

Red Heifer --- 5 years ago -

 

txwareagle --- 5 years ago -

so you're judging his religious beliefs?

Nope. He's made his beliefs crystal clear. There's no judgement from me at all, just comprehension of what he himself has said.

The Archbishop is making it clear that
"Unfortunately, the vice-presidential debate revealed that the Catholic running for the second highest office in our land is an orthodox member of his party, fully embracing his party?s platform, but a cafeteria Catholic, picking and choosing the teachings of the Catholic Church that are politically convenient."

It's 100% in the job description of the archbishop to tend to his flock and point out someone who isn't "walking the walk." 

Red Heifer --- 5 years ago -

yes, and that's between Kaine and his conscience. 

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