Cindy Jacobs of GOD.tv. BTW, this woman has 37,000 followers on Facebook. 

your point? 

Is your title meant to be sarcastic? Do have an opinion on this? Or are you just posting a video and then trolling on your merry way?

I have seen your previous posts about your group. In those posts and meeting announcements you claim to have no ill will towards any other group. Feel free to talk about anything without judgement. Then you post something like this? Care to clarify your position? Perhaps your membership drive is not going as well as you hoped and you think this may garner you a few more members?

It is nice to see that 'atheists' can be hypocrites as well as the rest of the human race. Welcome to the club. 

I would love to rail away on this one, but I am going to refrain and instead wish everyone a beautiful and joy-filled Christmas Eve!

Even though the weather outside is frightful, I hope inside you are warm and snuggly, and your house is filled with the smell of some kind of yummy holiday food. 

Even though the weather outside is frightful, I hope inside you are warm and snuggly, and your house is filled with the smell of some kind of yummy holiday food.

Yup- the inside here is delightful! :-) 

My Horse is ALSO amazing... You Should look at it HERE  

:)

Merry Christmas!

Tonight is Family and Friends, Cigars, and fine Liquor!... very merry indeed. 

It is nice to see that 'atheists' can be hypocrites as well as the rest of the human race


Oh, how true. Flaws have no prejudice. They are equal opportunity offenders.

It evens the playing field! 

Did anyone even watch the video?

I'd say that's pretty 'amazing' that her 'healing powers' could magically replace a woman's reproductive system after she had a full hysterectomy. 

I'd say that's pretty 'amazing' that her 'healing powers' could magically replace a woman's reproductive system after she had a full hysterectomy.

I did watch it and she makes no claim that it was her "healing powers"... she makes it clear that it was God. 

Care to clarify your position? Perhaps your membership drive is not going as well as you hoped and you think this may garner you a few more members?

Sure, I don't believe all Christians are charlatans -- but, at the same time I'm not sure I believe that she's being totally honest with this ultra-vague claim. I find it incredibly hard to believe that she really believes "god replaced" all the parts removed from a total hysterectomy (uterus and ovaries). Would that really be all that different from a virgin birth? In one, you're adding genetic material (sperm) that doesn't exist (making birth otherwise impossible). In the other, you're adding the reproductive organs that don't exist (making birth otherwise impossible).

Wouldn't it also be more efficient for both God and the suffering woman just to cure the cancer or the underlying cause that demanded the hysterectomy? That's a critique for God -- I'll shy away from this train of thought.

I mean, we have a process that could explain this totally -- frozen human eggs or even frozen embryos. It's normal practice to freeze embryos these days prior to doing a total hysterectomy. They literally do this all the time. And, if it wasn't a total hysterectomy, if they removed half the uterus and the ovaries, she could still conceive without a surrogate.

The claim just seems supremely awkward in spite of her obviously strong convictions. I think a good many on KU are more skeptical of claims made by televangelists.

Anyway, I was just looking for Christmas music and this came up on my youtube sidebar. Merry Christmas -- sorry if you didn't enjoy the video as much as me. 

While i may be skeptical of the claims of televangelists, I most certainly believe anything is possible for God.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that she really believes "god replaced" all the parts removed from a total hysterectomy (uterus and ovaries). Would that really be all that different from a virgin birth?

You find that hard to believe? Billions of people across the planet believe in the virgin birth.... How many people need to believe in something to convince you that some people do in fact believe it? 

I find it disrespectful for you to post this on Christmas Eve Evan. There would be no other reason to post it now except for that purpose. ...."every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." Your day too shall come. Merry Christmas to all of my KU family. "For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord." Hope everyone has a very blessed Christmas and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year. Peace. :) 

Also, there is difference between ill-will against a religion and the believe that some specific self-proclaimed adherents are crazy or profoundly misinformed. I try not to judge people because they believe in Christ, and I don't usually find reserving judgement that difficult. When a person opens up their mouth however, at that point in time, I feel liberated to form my own opinion. If they tell me they can fly or "over television [...] by just giving words of knowledge" they can heal someone, well then, all bets are off the table.

Just to clarify my personal stance. 

I find it disrespectful for you to post this on Christmas Eve Evan.

I know right? He goes even further and equates the claim of a televangelists to the immaculate conception.....

Insensitive? you betcha... but he will be back in the new year to tell us how inclusive and fair his little Atheist group is...... 

You find that hard to believe? Billions of people across the planet believe in the virgin birth.... How many people need to believe in something to convince you that some people do in fact believe it? 

People believe in the virgin birth because it is an article of faith. For them it is a spectacular claim. They wouldn't be to likely to believe in my sister having a virgin birth; and, I don't see them too likely to believing in any other virgin birth either. At least, this is what I observe in my own experience.

To the point -- billions of people do not believe God regenerates reproductive organs on the basis of "words of knowledge" streamed through a TV. Though, I'll grant you, some people obviously do... Enough people at that, for these religious networks to be profitable airing shows like this. 

the believe that some specific self-proclaimed adherents are crazy or profoundly misinformed.

So you are then saying that a billion Christians are crazy or profoundly misinformed as you have equated this televangelist claims to the immaculate conception.

That does not sound very reasonable. 

So you are then saying that a billion Christians are crazy or profoundly misinformed as you have equated this televangelist claims to the immaculate conception.


Just so we can clarify here the televangelist was saying she, with "words of wisdom", healed whomever lacked their reproductive organs. She was not speaking of the immaculate conception.

My point was to say that her feat, if true, was not any less miraculous than the concept of an immaculate conception. 

As I stated, your posts about your meetings and this post show you to be a hypocrite. You have shown your true colors and your propaganda about how people can come talk at your meetings with no fear of judgement is untrue.

I am glad I already know you do not represent atheists as I have known quite a few and at least they are honest about what they say and do not speak out of both sides of their mouth.

If your meeting group has any kind of structure perhaps the membership should vote you out. I certainly would not want to be part of a social group whose head person acts in the way you do with complete disrespect for others beliefs. Then to put Merry Christmas and apologize if we did not enjoy the video as much as you? So you did post it just to make fun of people's beliefs, thank you for clarifying that for us all. 

I find it incredibly hard to believe that she really believes "god replaced" all the parts removed from a total hysterectomy (uterus and ovaries). Would that really be all that different from a virgin birth? In one, you're adding genetic material (sperm) that doesn't exist (making birth otherwise impossible). In the other, you're adding the reproductive organs that don't exist (making birth otherwise impossible).


That is what you said Evan.. it is pretty clear that you are saying you find it hard to believe that anybody believes in the virgin birth... and yet you are now trying to back peddle.

so what do you believe? Are you just making it up on the fly or are you being dishonest? 

How am I trying to back peddle? All that I'm saying is that subsequent claims of virgin birth are not readily believed.

If you polled Christians and asked how many virgin births they believe have occurred, you'd find the overwhelming majority would say "one." There is something "special" about that event. It would be less special if it happened all the time. I'm saying this event, if it happened, would be no less special. 

Merry Trollmas, Evan. 

need more duct tape... must wrap head.... 

hahahah nice GIF anyway. 

I'm saying this event, if it happened,

More than one woman has gotten pregnant after a full hysterectomy. But please, keep showing your ignorance. 

More than one woman has gotten pregnant after a full hysterectomy. But please, keep showing your ignorance.

lolol

Where did the embryo implant?

A full hysterectomy your reproductive system is completely removed(uterus, tubes, cervix,ovaries). Partial hysterectomy is different than full. You cannot get pregnant after a full hysterectomy. You can, however, get 'pregnant' with a surrogate with partial.

Just an FYI, women reporting positive pregnancy tests after a full hysterectomy are NOT pregnant. It's an issue with hormones, not an embryo implanting and causing hcg levels to rise. 

Where did the embryo implant?

Search and ye shall find. 

Search and ye shall find.


Lol............wow Way to not answer the question.

Again, the different degrees of a hysterectomy vary. There's partial, subtotal and total. If a woman get's a full hysterectomy(total) she has absolutely no reproductive system. None. Implantation is impossible considering that A: She has NO ovaries to release an ovum(that's an egg if you didn't know) every month, B: No fallopian tubes to let the ovum ascend into the uterus, and C: NO uterus to allow implantation of a fertilized egg.

Full hysterectomy you CANNOT get pregnant.

HCG levels(hormone produced in the first trimester of pregnancy) =/= always = pregnancy. It can be caused by a number of issues within the body.

Again, a woman with a FULL hysterectomy CANNOT get pregnant.

The validity of this little tidbit from the Christian is low. No date of when it happened, no name, no way to even produce proof. Word of mouth =/= proof. 

Also, if you Christians believe this crap is 100% true then where's the proof? Wouldn't this be in the news? Wouldn't this woman get recognition for having all of her reproductive parts replaced by God? Wouldn't this be a way you could PROVE there is a God to those that don't believe?

It would be in the headlines everywhere around the world. The woman might be humble and whatever but this would clear up the crap people believe and don't believe. 

Billions of people across the planet believe in the virgin birth.


lol 

All that I'm saying is that subsequent claims of virgin birth are not readily believed.


God restoring a uterus and the woman becoming pregnant isn't a virgin birth

Where did the embryo implant?

in the uterus that God restored...God created an entire universe...complete animals and a complete human...one part of the human body being restored wouldn't be out of God's ability

Wouldn't this be a way you could PROVE there is a God to those that don't believe?

actually...nope it wouldn't...God performed miracle after miracle for the whole nation of Israel...they SAW His miracles day after day...and still most refused to believe

btw...the news media does everything it can to keep people from believing in God...that's why you won't see miracles like this reported in the mainstream news 

.that's why you won't see miracles like this reported in the mainstream news 



Or much more likely.............. it didn't actually happen and these people are full of crap. 

these people are full of crap.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING

"WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR OUR WINNER?!" 

"WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR OUR WINNER?!" 

the possibility of an eternity in hell...and i indicate "possibility" because until physical death occurs...that destination can be changed through Jesus Christ 

Did any doctor confirm this happened? As in, the one who actually performed the hysterectomy and then saw proof that her parts grew back? 

actually...nope it wouldn't...God performed miracle after miracle for the whole nation of Israel...they SAW His miracles day after day...and still most refused to believe

btw...the news media does everything it can to keep people from believing in God...that's why you won't see miracles like this reported in the mainstream news


LOL! A whole country? Why not the WORLD that he created? This selective healing seems a bit unfair to the rest of his creations doesn't it? Are they more deserving than other people? Are they more devout? I just don't get how some benevolent deity can pick and choose who he serves and who he doesn't.

This woman who's entire reproductive system that was taken , and yet replaced after someone 'prayed' for her that she wouldn't be barren. Why wouldn't your almighty God just prevent her from having all her inner bits removed so that she could bare children?

What miracles did God preform that are not in the bible? After 2,000 years you would think the greatest force that has shaped humanity would make it known there was a God.

The mainstream media has sided with Christians the majority of the time. Why wouldn't Faux News pick this up? They're a Right-wing Devout Christian station. So...?

Did any doctor confirm this happened? As in, the one who actually performed the hysterectomy and then saw proof that her parts grew back?


The crazy lady who says she helped with this said the woman who miraculously re-grew her inner lady bits supposedly went to the doctor who preformed the surgery, and was dumbfounded that she was both pregnant, and had her bits back.

I'd LOVE to see proof. Absolutely love to. IF they can prove God did this you'll make a believer out of me. 

JohnLynch,

On the basis of the (anecdotal) evidence that you've seen here -- do you believe one woman claiming to have with "words of wisdom" spoke into being -- with the power of god, of course -- all of the necessary parts of a female to reproduce?

I'm just curious to know whether you believe this claim. Or, whether or not your being the Devil's (or, Jesus's) advocate. 

Do y'all have to argue on Christmas Day? Can't you delay this silly, unresolvable bickering until tomorrow.