it's everyone elses fault the husband/dad was a drunk.  

Stupid. Can I sue fork manufacturers for the added weight I put on over the winter? 

Why is it the pub's responsibility to keep this guy sober? If he can't do it how is anyone else going to do it? 

When are people going to start taking responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming everyone else. He's a big boy, he knew how much alcohol he was consuming and how he felt. Absolutely ridiculous that the bar should pay off. 

He hit the curb. What no law suit againt the concrete company?? 

When are people going to start taking responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming everyone else. He's a big boy, he knew how much alcohol he was consuming and how he felt. Absolutely ridiculous that the bar should pay off.


Exactly. 

It is a violation of TABC law to serve alcohol to an intoxicated person. Not only is the bartender subject to a fine, but also up to a year in jail. It IS the bar's responsibility to make sure they are not over-serving. It is their liquor license and the responsibility to serve "responsibly" also comes with that.

I can't speak to the lawsuit, but the law speaks for itself. 

So by that theory if a person goes in to a restaurant and over eats the manager is responsible? That doesn't pass the smell test. If I was on the jury, if it goes that far I would vote for the pub. 

"Why is it the pub's responsibility to keep this guy sober? If he can't do it how is anyone else going to do it? "
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It is against the law to serve an intoxicated person, like PIB above stated. 

It is against the law to serve an intoxicated person, like PIB above stated.


Was the guy drunk when he went in there? 

"So by that theory if a person goes in to a restaurant and over eats the manager is responsible? That does pass the smell test. If I was on the jury, if it goes that far I would vote for the pub. "
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That doesnt even make sense, over eating food does not alter a person's mental faculties or their ability to operate a vehicle safely. While I find the lawsuit BS, its still against the law to over serve someone, thus the bar is partially negligent. 

That doesnt even make sense, over eating food does not alter a person's mental faculties or their ability to operate a vehicle safely. While I find the lawsuit BS, its still against the law to over serve someone, thus the bar is partially negligent.


Where is the drunk's responsibility? 

Have any of you ever tried to stop a drunk from drinking? 

Have any of you ever tried to stop a drunk from drinking?



I have seen it on TV and I imagine in real life it's worse than what is portrayed. I wouldn't want to deal with one, they are mean and angry. 

"Where is the drunk's responsibility"
Read where I said the bar is PARTIALLY negligent. 

Was the guy drunk when he went in there?

Who's to say he didn't get another drink somewher else on his way home? It is a long way from 249 to cypresswood. 

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"Have any of you ever tried to stop a drunk from drinking? "
Okay, but the bar should still be able to recognize someone that is having too many 

And do what? I am sure you know how long it is to get response at times. 

"Who's to say he didn't get another drink somewher else on his way home? It is a long way from 249 to cypresswood. "

Cypresswood intersects 249. Gessner and 249 is only a few miles from Cypresswood and 249 

"And do what?"
Stop serving 

The man drank until he was drunk. If he drinks like that then his family knew he had a problem. Why didn't they get him help or drive him everywhere? 

Cypresswood intersects 249. Gessner and 249 is only a few miles from Cypresswood and 249

You're right, i was thinking of cypress station 

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"The man drank until he was drunk. If he drinks like that then his family knew he had a problem. Why didn't they get him help or drive him everywhere?"


Because drunks are hard to deal with 

Looks like tommy boy has a NewNanna name 

"The man drank until he was drunk. If he drinks like that then his family knew he had a problem. Why didn't they get him help or drive him everywhere?"


Because drunks are hard to deal with




Right so if the owner had refused him service after a few I think he would have gotten out of hand and the owner or patrons could have been hurt. Who would be at fault then? 

Bartenders are legally certified and must recognize signs of inebriation. Not only is it their job...it is also the law. They cannot over-serve. 

If someone "gets out of hand" in a bar or restaurant, the police are called and they handle it from there.

If you continue serving someone out of fear of them becoming "out of hand" the blame lies with you. 

Does personal responsibility just not exist any longer? 

Who here has said that? 

Does personal responsibility just not exist any longer?




Evidently not. It's always someone else. 

Who here has said that?

Anyone wanting to place blame on the bar.

Like it was mentioned earlier. What if he left the bar, and finished his drinking on the way home............ BEFORE he got into his accident? 

Do you not understand TABC law? Apparently not. 

I have seen it on TV and I imagine in real life it's worse than what is portrayed. I wouldn't want to deal with one, they are mean and angry.

Exactly. What if he had a gun in his car and decided to go back into the pub and start shooting? Would he be responsible for his actions then? 

Do you not understand TABC law? Apparently not.

Who cares?

It still doesn't excuse someone from personal responsibility. 

Exactly. What if he had a gun in his car and decided to go back into the pub and start shooting? Would he be responsible for his actions then?


No no, people would hold the owner responsible for this man's actions. We do not expect anyone to be personally responsible for their actions. That is silly. lol 

What if he had a gun in his car and decided to go back into the pub and start shooting?

LOL............ you don't blame the shooter!

You blame: the gun, the gun manufacturer, Wayne LaPierre, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin......... and last but not least......... George Bush. 

** This is Dorothy **

Whether or not you care about the law, it's still the law.

I haven't said one way or the other what I personally think about this particular case.

Generally speaking, it is the law that an intoxicated person stopped being served. When a bartender continues to serve them, they're breaking the law. Period.

You don't like that law? Lobby to change it.