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POLL: Death Penalty, regardless how its "exicuted"

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whatchamacallit 1
AwesomeTattooedDragon 1
SagaciousSighFiGurl 3
sheddy 1
sdanielmcev 2
Sharticus 4
Emperor of Kingwood 2
Not KU 4
mutton 1
AMDG 5
JuanSequin 1
fuzz81 1

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POLL: Death Penalty, regardless how its "exicuted"

I do not support the death penalty Vote
 
 22.2% (4)
I support the death penalty Vote
 
 77.8% (14)
Emperor of Kingwood --- 4 years ago -

I vote for spelling. 

Not KU --- 4 years ago -

Im voting for between the lines spelling 

whatchamacallit --- 4 years ago -

I vote for education that is aimed at actual education, instead of indoctrination and being mired in liberal bs. Education that actually teaches people how to spell and how to be productive, non-government dependent members of society. 

AMDG --- 4 years ago -

The only logically defendable position in favor of the death penalty is vengeance or retribution That is not enough for me.

Side fact. From top of my head, but think correct. Some southern state, I think la executed a white man for the killing of a black man recently. That was the first time that had happened in the history of the state. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 4 years ago -

There ARE issues with the death penalty. But that's the way it is in governmental institutions. some criminals deserve to be removed from society and I believe some give up their right to life by taking that from others. But it should be cases of overwhelming evidence in heinous crimes. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 4 years ago -

The only logically defendable position in favor of the death penalty is vengeance or retribution That is not enough for me.

Deterrent. 

Sharticus --- 4 years ago -

Just for argument's sake, how could a person know for certain that God doesn't see the executioner as a murderer? I would hate to have that job. You aren't in a life threatening situation (war, robbery, etc). Why would anyone want that job not knowing how that is viewed upstairs? 

JuanSequin --- 4 years ago -

Bring back public hanging. 

Sharticus --- 4 years ago -

I will also say I could never vote for the death penalty as a juror for the same reason. That being said, if someone ever raped/tortured/killed my loved ones, I have no problem personally inflicting the worst death on them that I could think of, if I had the opportunity. And take the punishment. But, as a juror with no ties to the crime, I would have to vote life in prison. 

sheddy --- 4 years ago -

If the death penalty is on the table and you can't do it, leave. You don't have to stay. I was on a jury with two women who said they knew the guy was guilty, but they couldn't send him to prison. It was very frustrating for the rest of us. 

Sharticus --- 4 years ago -

Sheddy, if they don't want my vote of guilty without killing, then so be it. Here is the irony of it all. I'm not even a religious person and I see the ridiculousness of any Christian justifying the death penalty. God made a list of 1O commandments, murder being the unofficial worst of the bunch. Jesus was sent down to help us understand God's wishes and we EXECUTE him. I'm kind of thinking execution is probably not Jesus' favorite topic now. Fast forward 2000 years and my city government plucks me out of a pool and says vote on this guys life or death. Really? Because I bought a house in your district? My life will forever be changed because I have now imposed death on someone that I don't even know? Yeah, sheddy, I would gladly leave. Better safe than sorry as for as the whole 10 commandments goes. 

AMDG --- 4 years ago -

Deterrent.

no 

AMDG --- 4 years ago -

some criminals deserve to be removed from society and I believe some give up their right to life by taking that from others. But it should be cases of overwhelming evidence in heinous crimes.

that is vengeance/retribution 

AMDG --- 4 years ago -

A couple of quotes from Camus "Reflections on the Guillotine" -

No government is innocent enough or wise enough or just enough to lay down to so absolute a power as death.

... the moral contradiction inherent in a policy which imitates the violence it claims to abhor and in fact premeditates it. ...


Deciding that a man must have the definitive punishment imposed on him is tantamount to deciding that that man has no chance of making amends?.none among us can settle the question, for we are all both judges and interested parties. Whence our uncertainty as to our right to kill and our inability to convince each other?.Now, we have all done wrong in our lives?.There are no just people merely hearts more or less lacking in justice. Living at least allows us to discover this and to add to the sum of our actions a little of the good that will make up in part for the evil we have added to the world. Such a right to live, which allows a chance to make amends, is the natural right of every man, even the worst man. The lowest of criminals and the most upright of judges meet side by side, equally wretched in their solidarity. Without that right, moral life is utterly impossible. None among us is authorized to despair of a single man, except after his death, which transforms his life into destiny and then permits a definitive judgment. But pronouncing the definitive judgment before his death, decreeing the closing of accounts when the creditor is still alive, is no man?s right. On this limit, at least, whoever judges absolutely condemns himself absolutely.

?But what then is capital punishment but the most premeditated of murders, to which no criminal's deed, however calculated it may be, can be compared? For there to be equivalence, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date at which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him at his mercy for months. Such a monster is not encountered in private life. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 4 years ago -

"some criminals deserve to be removed from society and I believe some give up their right to life by taking that from others. But it should be cases of overwhelming evidence in heinous crimes."

"that is vengeance/retribution "





Nope. Vengeance is getting even. This is called justice and obeying the laws of the land with full knowledge of repercussions if you don't. They chose this willingly. If there is a capital punishment law, it should be obeyed and fulfilled. God can deal with people in prison or on death row. In fact, some need to be there to find redemption. Gods forgiveness and redemption can occur simultaneously with the physical impairment of incarceration or a spot on death row.

The Bible says "thou shalt not MURDER". All killing is not murder, and the word used is not kill, but murder. It also says when you shed blood, expect yours may be shed as well. 

AMDG --- 4 years ago -

This is called justice

It is not even close to justice.

In application it is arbitrary. Similar crimes get very different treatments.

there is economic and racial discrimination.

And there is no remedy for the rare mistakes. Where is the equal justice for the wrongly killed ???

And - yes, you may not recognize it as such - but your argument is vengeance. And your very argument shows maybe the worst thing about capital punishment - it has a corrupting effect on us - 

Not KU --- 4 years ago -

if someone ever raped/tortured/killed my loved ones, I have no problem personally inflicting the worst death on them

Even tho I oppose the death penalty. I feel the same way. If the shoe of forgiveness were on my foot. I pray to never be in that position. 

mutton --- 4 years ago -

Unless there was DNA proof I could never go with death penalty. Even then could be hard choice...

Not sure what I would choose. 

fuzz81 --- 4 years ago -

Deterrent.?

Only the uneducated think the death penalty is a deterrent. Also not knowing how to calculate a percentage is a good indication of being uneducated. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 4 years ago -

the Markster --- 7 hours ago - edit - quote - put user in the ice box - put user in the ice box and remove recent comments - hide comments
if someone ever raped/tortured/killed my loved ones, I have no problem personally inflicting the worst death on them

Even tho I oppose the death penalty. I feel the same way. If the shoe of forgiveness were on my foot. I pray to never be in





So, you think killing someone with your bare hands is fine but you wouldn't allow someone else who had a loved one raped or tortured or killed to have that same thing via lawful means??

Alrighty then. 

sdanielmcev --- 4 years ago -

The death penalty is retribution by society. Vengeance is personal. 

sdanielmcev --- 4 years ago -

It is not even close to justice.

Yes it is. Try not to pervert all definitions to suit your needs. 

Not KU --- 4 years ago -

So, you think killing someone with your bare hands is fine but you wouldn't allow someone else who had a loved one raped or tortured or killed to have that same thing via lawful means??
Lets try what your smokin'

Im trying to say. IDK if I could restrain myself if it were my loved one. A bare handed killing would be fine while its happening. Living with it later is another issue. So the bigger picture for me personally, is to abstain.
Thou shalt not kill. right We all die sooner or later. No need to kill. 

Sharticus --- 4 years ago -

So, you think killing someone with your bare hands is fine but you wouldn't allow someone else who had a loved one raped or tortured or killed to have that same thing via lawful means??Alrighty then.

Actually Sag, my exact quote was edited.

I have no problem personally inflicting the worst death on them that I could think of, if I had the opportunity. And take the punishment.

If you want someone to die for harming your family, do it yourself and suffer the possible consequences of your actions. Don't ask 12 strangers to do it for you. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 4 years ago -

Sharti, she wasn't quoting you, she was quoting Mark- maybe you thinks yours was edited, because it wasn't yours- (Mark copied your sentence, and used it in his post) 

Not KU --- 4 years ago -

(Mark copied your sentence, and used it in his post)

awww. you got me 

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