This isn't to detract from the thread regarding the sad death of the firefighter so I started another.

On one of the local news stations last night, either 26 or 13, a neighbor of the home that burned made a comment that they felt the house was full of small and large fireworks, the next neighbor said it was ammo and that the resident made their own ammunition there.

If that's so, should they be charged with the fireman's death if they caused it? 

From what I've read, he collapsed in front of a group of fire fighters. No one else was in danger at that time and they immediately got him out of the house and started CPR. . It sounds like the cause of death will either be natural causes or faulty equipment if that article was accurate. 

Because of the low availability of some ammunition - some folks have resorted to making their own. Nothing wrong or illegal about it. 

Reloading is not a crime, it's been around forever, and it's not the cause of the fire. That's like saying a gun fires itself, something else would have had to ignite the powder but I'm sure he had that secured and not in the open.

How would the fact that he reloads be the cause of the firefighters death? It wasn't a trap and it wasn't intentional. No crime was committed in terms of that.

It's horrible all the way around. Can you imagine how they feel knowing someone died trying to save their home?

They had just recently moved in and are very active in the community. I hope their 3rd puppy is found safe soon. 

If that's so, should they be charged with the fireman's death if they caused it?

No way. It's a silly question to start with, posted to start controversy as usual. 

No way. It's a silly question to start with, posted to start controversy as usual.


No not to start anything but discussion.

I have asked this question before.

If someone is killed in the line of duty is the person who caused the accident or in this case fire, held responsible for the death?

Should they be?

If they hadn't caused the fire the man may still be alive. 

What is reloading? Is that what you call making your own ammunition?

It sounds dangerous to be making ammo and storing it in a residential neighborhood, at least over a certain amount. Are there any laws about how much a person can have?

As far as charging someone for his death, I think when a firefighter is injured or killed and a fire is arson, then that should be added to the arson charges. But if the fire is accidental and nothing was illegal about it, it is part of the risk, as sad as that is when it takes a life. 

When ammunition explodes in a fire it just pops, there is no great pressure pushing the bullet in any direction like there is when you shoot a gun. Now if it is in a gun then it becomes dangerous, but just sitting in a closet popping is not bad, unless a large stash goes off at once. As far as charging someone how or why would you want charges if it is an accidental fire? That would be like me making a fire in your house and tripping over your kids toys and breaking my neck or paint or gasoline in your garage exploding and killing me, would you want to be charged in that event. There is dangerous stuff in every house I have ever been in, that's just part of the job. Now if the fire was set on purpose it is now arson and any injuries or deaths add to the charges. 

If they hadn't caused the fire the man may still be alive.

You are making an assumption when you do not know all the facts.

Anything for controversy, right? 

No I don't know the facts which is why I started a new thread you are participating in Oregonian.

I am asking a question based on the news reports yesterday about the sounds.

There was also cell phone video shown on channel 26 that had a lot of popping sounds as CRM6146 describes. 

There was also cell phone video shown on channel 26 that had a lot of popping sounds as CRM6146 describes.

Maybe it was popcorn. 

There is dangerous stuff in every house I have ever been in

Good point. Any flammable liquids, cleaners, oil, etc. What about those that store gasoline or diesel for generators or their cars? What about cars that are in the garage where the fire starts and they explode?

I mean really, saying someone is responsible for the firefighters death because of his reloading equipment is just ridiculous. We don't know what started the fire and it's insane to assume this was the cause without proof.

Neighbors have said there was s power surge just before the fire, so maybe the electric provider should be held accountable or the builder of the house or the maker of whatever piece of equipment couldn't handle the surge.



BTW, the missing dog is a yorkie named Maggie. She's wearing a harness and tags in case anyone sees her. 

BTW, the missing dog is a yorkie named Maggie. She's wearing a harness and tags in case anyone sees her.


I hope they find Maggie and she's safe and unharmed! Such a tragedy for everyone involved. Praying for the family that lost their home as well as the firefighter's family, both blood family and fire department family as they go through this difficult time. 

Sadly Maggie was found in the house this afternoon. The poor baby did not survive the fire. 

From what I've read, he collapsed in front of a group of fire fighters. No one else was in danger at that time and they immediately got him out of the house and started CPR. . It sounds like the cause of death will either be natural causes or faulty equipment if that article was accurate.


I believe this is false. Ten went in, nine came out. The nine exited abruptly from upstairs windows. They went back in to get the tenth and he was down. 

This whole thought is not ours to ponder at this time 

I also heard there was a ton of gunpowder. More than him just reloading for his own pleasure. So much that the feds are investigating. The initial explosion was so loud houses in the whole neighborhood shook. It blew off the garage doors. Obviously it wasn't stored safely.

To answer the OP's question, if the above is true, they should be charged with manslaughter.

I wouldn't want that much stored right next to my house. Would you?? 

I believe this is false. Ten went in, nine came out. The nine exited from upstairs windows. They went back in to get the tenth and he was down.

The latest article is questioning his equipment.

Article 1

Quote from original article:

HFD officials said members of his crew were with him when he collapsed and immediately got him out of the residence and began CPR. Efforts to revive him continued on the way and at the hospital in Kingwood. Groover was pronounced dead at the hospital.

Original article 

My info came from those on the scene. 

"To answer the OP's question, if the above is true, they should be charged with manslaughter. "

How? There aren't any state laws pertaining to how much gun powder one can possess 

They wouldn't be liable. And shouldn't be liable. Can you imagine the person that owns the home right now? How devastated they are? Knowing someone died because they thought they were home? Loosing their dog? and furthermore loosing all their lifetime of belongings? That home looks like a total loss!!! Instead of pointing fingers and trying to blame someone everyone of you should be out there helping this family... HECK both families!!!

Get off ya'lls high horses, stop looking for people to blame and help those that need it. 

How? There aren't any state laws pertaining to how much gun powder one can possess


I didn't think we were talking laws. I thought we were talking opinion.

I thought you conservatives were all about accountability.

If they had a massive arsenal that they stored unsafely so that it caused a death, albeit unintentional, that should be manslaughter. *IMO*

Is that better? 

Get off ya'lls high horses, stop looking for people to blame and help those that need it.


You have no idea who or how we are helping others so it's about time you come down off of yours.

If a death was caused by their carelessness, they should be held accountable. I don't care if they lost their dog or their belongings. Those are just things.

A MAN LOST HIS LIFE. 

there is no law as to how many guns or ammo one can have. PERIOD.

This is Texas and this is the United State of FREE AMERICA! We have our rights and all you people want to do is to take away all our rights and blame a gun.

Why dont you wait til the public is told. Why put this family through all of this? You dont know if that family is reading exactly what you are saying! 

You either can't read or have a comprehension issue, AK.

Take a pill and relax. 

My info came from those on the scene.

Damn, Geraldo. Do you have a big azz moustache, too? 

AK- I think the question is whether or not they knowingly put others in harms way, not about having guns. 

Damn, Geraldo. Do you have a big azz moustache, too?

Hell yeah. Plus I'm 97 pounds and have orange hair. 

there is no law as to how many guns or ammo one can have. PERIOD.

This is Texas and this is the United State of FREE AMERICA! We have our rights and all you people want to do is to take away all our rights and blame a gun.

Why dont you wait til the public is told. Why put this family through all of this? You dont know if that family is reading exactly what you are saying!

Calm down. Who are you even addressing? I don't see anyone on here talking about taking away guns. Most posts on this thread have been respectful and carefully worded, IMO. 

I was there and there were explosions going off for a long while.

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so sad about the firefighter- AND the dog- 

Dang! I have a rope you can borrow, if you can figure out who to lynch.

Nothing like a tragedy to bring out the best in folks. 

Nothing like a tragedy to bring out the best in folks.?


Right!