No one said he does. I think what most people are saying is there is no reason for an individual to own an AR-15. Keep your hand guns and your hunting rifles but military weapons are not for the General Public. Is that too complicated for you? 

...because you have the IQ of a carrot. 

And you're dumb as dirt. 

You changed your post.

The only difference in my ar and my hunting rifle is the ar is black. Black scares some people. 

You know dirt because your daddy shovels ditches for a living. 

Some folks obviously don't know much about guns. 

And you and sofa king know, well.... I can't think of anything 

Derp..........

Can come up with a coherent response? 

The subject title was copied from and internet meme. 

You changed your post.


Because you fixed your topic title. 

Assault weapons are for killing large numbers of people in a short time. Don't people who carry concealed weapons for protection want it to at least be a fair fight? 

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TinktheSprite --- 7 hours ago - quote - hide comments The subject title was copied from and internet meme.

Select one.

You are currently on:

A.) a hov-around.
B.) a Craftmatic adjustable bed.
C.) a toilet.
D.) the internets. 

I think what most people are saying is there is no reason for an individual to own an AR-15. Keep your hand guns and your hunting rifles but military weapons are not for the General Public. Is that too complicated for you?

Apparently its too complicated for you. There is NO difference between a hunting rifle and an AR-15,except shape. 

Assault weapons are for killing large numbers of people in a short time.

Who told you that? 

Sandy Hook ended the gun debate... 

AR-15 automatic version is illegal to sell. Non automatic is legal. 

Every time someone who passed a background check uses an AR-15 to open fire in a gun-free zone, ignorant media pundits and their ready surrogates in Hollywood and D.C. talk about the need to ban automatic weapons.

But the AR-15 is not an automatic weapon ? it is a semi-automatic weapon. In other words, it does not shoot multiple rounds each time the trigger is pulled. Rather, it fires one. That?s right ? one round per trigger pull. But this seems to be lost on a growing number of outlets, celebrities, and politicians. So, Breitbart News thought it best to present this handy AR-15 users guide for those who simply don?t get it.

The AR-15 is a rifle that shoots .223 and/or 5.56 rounds. Americans love it because it is reliable, accurate, and numerous accessories are available for it. Those accessories range from lights to special grips, stocks, optics, sight packages, and beyond. Because of this, the AR-15 has become the Colt 1911 of rifles. Like the 1911, you can always buy the part you need to make it better or repair it in the event that something breaks.

The gun is great for women as well as men ? for petite-framed people as well as large ? because the stock absorbs the recoil. So even though the rifle shoots a .223 or 5.56, it does so with less recoil than a .410 shotgun and just slightly more than a .22 rifle.

The gun shoots one round every time the trigger is pulled ? period. Yet following the terror attack on Pulse nightclub in Orlando, UK?s The Telegraph described the rifle as ?controversial? and claimed that it ?[allows] a rogue gunmen [sic] to kill dozens of people in a matter of seconds.? What The Telegraph is alluding to is the spray-and-pray tactic of shooting whereby a gunman simply squeezes the trigger repeatedly, rattling off as many rounds as he can, hoping some of them find their target. Although such an approach to shooting appears to be wildly popular with gun control advocates ? many of whom may have never shot a gun ? it is not an accurate or efficient way to shoot an AR-15. It is not reality. 

An AR-15 looks like a military gun, but isn't any more deadly than any semi-auto hunting rifle in functionality.

And only people unfamiliar with guns would think an AR-15 is a deadly "assault" rifle (whatever that term means). 

An AR-15 looks like a military gun, but isn't any more deadly than any semi-auto hunting rifle in functionality.

Would it be fair to say that the capacity of a AR-15 is greater than - my deer rifle ? Would it be fair to say that the time to reload the ar-15 would be significantly less than my deer rifle ? If you needed or wanted to kill multiple threats - would rather have an ar-15 or a deer rifle ??

Like all tools guns are made for a purpose - my 270, and an ar-15 were designed to do different things. My deer rifle is designed and scoped for one well aimed shot. AR-15's are designed for 2 reasons - to kill people or for grown ups to play soldier.

you can use your ar to hunt, but it would be like using a crescent wrench to drive a nail - it will work, but that is not what it was designed to do. 

And only people unfamiliar with guns would think an AR-15 is a deadly "assault" rifle (whatever that term means).


^^^^^ THAT ^^^^^^ 

Would it be fair to say that the capacity of a AR-15 is greater than - my deer rifle ? Would it be fair to say that the time to reload the ar-15 would be significantly less than my deer rifle ? If you needed or wanted to kill multiple threats - would rather have an ar-15 or a deer rifle ??

Like all tools guns are made for a purpose - my 270, and an ar-15 were designed to do different things. My deer rifle is designed and scoped for one well aimed shot. AR-15's are designed for 2 reasons - to kill people or for grown ups to play soldier.

you can use your ar to hunt, but it would be like using a crescent wrench to drive a nail - it will work, but that is not what it was designed to do.?





Ruger Mini-14 is a hunting rifle that can hold 30 rounds depending on the magazine used.

Marlin Camp 9 is another that can hold a lot of ammo.

Both are wood-stocked non military rifles. 

Ruger Mini-14 is a hunting rifle that can hold 30 rounds depending on the magazine used.

Grand kids and I went last year, shot my first deer in something over 10 years. I fired 9 rounds to sight in the gun, and 1 at a deer. Why in the world would you need a 30 round deer rifle ?? 

but Idont, still didn't answer any of my questions - and I don't care what the gun looks like, I care what it does.

so I ask again, if you are in a multi threat/target environment - would you rather have a ar-15 with a 30 round magazine and 2 more on your belt, or my 270 and a box of shells in your pocket ??? 

Grand kids and I went last year, shot my first deer in something over 10 years. I fired 9 rounds to sight in the gun, and 1 at a deer. Why in the world would you need a 30 round deer rifle ???



People hunt other things besides deer. Coyotes, wild hogs, etc. 

so I ask again, if you are in a multi threat/target environment - would you rather have a ar-15 with a 30 round magazine and 2 more on your belt, or my 270 and a box of shells in your pocket ??? 

so I ask again, if you are in a multi threat/target environment - would you rather have a ar-15 with a 30 round magazine and 2 more on your belt, or my 270 and a box of shells in your pocket ????



I'll take the multi-threat for $500.

How about being at home with a home invasion of multiple perpetrators? Would you rather have a 9-rd deer rifle or a 30-rd AR15?

You want to take the time to reload while multiple home invaders are in your house?

We are living in a society where the cartels are more of a presence in the US, esp in the Houston area.

I also lived in a rural area (the desert) outside of Phoenix that was and is populated by tweakers, bikers, goodness-knows-what.

Sorry but in that situation a 9-rd .270 isn't going to cut it for me.


You're falling into the trap that this is a bad guy's gun, and that is a good guy's gun. A gun is just a machine. Any machine in the wrong hands is deadly. Any machine in the right hands is a life-saver. 

The culture of fear is mind boggling 

Sorry but in that situation a 9-rd .270 isn't going to cut it for me.

That is exactly the point I am making - if one is better at what it does than the other one, they are not the same - they are different - designed to do different things.

So can you and others stop saying that ar-15's and my deer rifle are exactly the same - they are not - and your wanting one vs the other makes that point.

Other than both being guns, and both being semi automatic - they don't have all much else in common.

By the way I am not against private ownership of ar-15's at all. I just think maybe we could discuss a higher hurdle to get one - similar to, there being higher standards for private ownership of fully automatic weapons. 

The culture of fear is mind boggling




You say that like fear is a bad thing.

Fear is a natural human response that keeps people alive.

Walk a tight rope between skycrapers? Yep - fear.

Drive a car at over 100 mph? Yep - fear. It's a natural deterrent for dangerous behavior.

Oh, and here is human behavior 101 for you, fuzz. People are dangerous. Humans are worse than pit bulls for unpredictability and ferociousness.

You're going to go around trusting other humans, strangers, to not harm you? How naive is that? 

So can you and others stop saying that ar-15's and my deer rifle are exactly the same - they are not - and your wanting one vs the other makes that point.

Other than both being guns, and both being semi automatic - they don't have all much else in common.



I will concede that they are different guns for different purposes, but that doesn't affect that they basically spew bullet projectiles at the pull of the trigger.

The only difference between the AR15 and a hunting rifle is the look (which is inconsequential), and the ammo capacity, but with the latter some hunting rifles have high ammo capacity as well. THAT'S IT. Original design intent has nothing to do with a gun's "deadliness" 

Thats a sad state of being. 

Thats a natural state of being.


I used to have a summer job checking on homes abandoned by tenants in the Houston area (I worked for a proper manager).

Going into a strange, empty house alone, I felt MUCH BETTER with a Glock on my hip than without any kind of firearm. I felt MUCH SAFER and LESS FEARFUL.

I mean, I was expecting to find: squatters, junkies, who-knows-what. 

The only difference between the AR15 and a hunting rifle is the look (which is inconsequential), and the ammo capacity, but with the latter some hunting rifles have high ammo capacity as well. THAT'S IT. Original design intent has nothing to do with a gun's "deadliness"

There is absolutely no doubt that ar-15's can fire more rounds in significantly less time than my 5 shot deer rifle. That is a significant difference, and it is the main reason you wanted it in my multi threat/target scenario. 

There is absolutely no doubt that ar-15's can fire more rounds in significantly less time than my 5 shot deer rifle. That is a significant difference, and it is the main reason you wanted it in my multi threat/target scenario.?



What do you mean? An AR-15 fires one bullet per trigger pull. Same as your hunting rifle or any semi-auto gun. (as long as your hunting rifle is semi-auto and not bolt-action).

Only the military has fully-automatic AR-15 (called the M-16), which can fire a three-round burst with one trigger pull or 700 rounds per minute. 

What do you mean? An AR-15 fires one bullet per trigger pull. Same as your hunting rifle or any semi-auto gun. (as long as your hunting rifle is semi-auto and not bolt-action).

you can pull that trigger 30 times on the ar, 5 or 6 times on my 270, without reloading. I can drop the magazine and reload another 30 rounds in probably less than 2-5 seconds on the ar, probably take me at least 1 - 2 minutes to load another 5 shells in my 270.

Again, this is why you chose the ar-15 in a multi threat/target environment. 

Don't forget about the 100 round drum magazine for the AR.

Absolutely ridiculous.

No serious hunter uses an AR. It would be spray and pray.

It's a gun with one purpose: to effectively kill people. 

you can pull that trigger 30 times on the ar, 5 or 6 times on my 270, without reloading. I can drop the magazine and reload another 30 rounds in probably less than 2-5 seconds on the ar, probably take me at least 1 - 2 minutes to load another 5 shells in my 270.



You can do the same thing with a Ruger Mini-14 or Mini-30.

Okay so your gun was made to shoot wild animals, just like an Olympic shooter's gun is made to shoot 10 meter targets.

So, what's your point? That AR15s should be outlawed because they hold more ammo per reload? 

Back to original post, AR15s despite their appearance, are not military weapons. The M16 fills that role.


By the same token, let's ban all cars that can go over 100 mph. There's no reason a civilian needs to go that fast. Let's leave those cars for the professional drivers at the race car circuit. After all, a very powerful car in the hands of a civilian driver is extremely dangerous (look at what happened to Paul Walker)

Also, let's ban pornography. There's no reason for people to be watching that. It only promotes sexual deviance and the breakdown of families. It would only make men think women want it all the time at the drop of a hat, and will promote the rape culture (look at the Stanford swimmer Brock Turner) 

The level of ignorance from the gun grabbers on this thread is unbelievable. 

So, what's your point? That AR15s should be outlawed because they hold more ammo per reload?

my point was they are not the same, despite what all the memes' and the nra pundits say - I think I have made that point quite well.

So, what's your point? That AR15s should be outlawed because they hold more ammo per reload?

As I said above - we should be able to have political discussion about if we should have different standards/hurdles of ownership for these weapons. We all ready do that in the case of automatic weapons. But any mention of any kind of increased hurdles to gun ownership are immediately met with a well directed outrage that this is the first step of a slippery slope that is meant to disarm America - which is absurd. It is just paranoid propaganda put forth by the NRA to protect their main customers - the gun manufactures.

Can we improve gun control is as valid a question as can we do better to identify and deter Muslim extremists.