in tax breaks. Tax the churches and bring down the national debt! They're just another business after all. 

If im evicted I cant go to my nearest Best Buy and get assistance. For all the big mega churches that exist, there are hundreds of poorer ones that this would kill. 

It's an absolutely ignorant comment. Homeowners with a mortgage are costing us billions. 

Emp you joined the KU Ignorant Brotherhood with your deflection. LOL 

Let's end entitlements and save the 1.5T spent (per cbo 2010) and put that money towards the deficit 

I don't like organized religion, but churches are responsible for most charities. Most of those uninsured medical bills are paid by churches. 

I read on MSN that some Church somewhere is paying back payday loans for their members. I think that is great. The only people with payday loans are people who have no other choice. 

Take away their tax exempt status and the Priests and Pastors would then be able to talk politics from the pulpit. I don't think the no good politicians would want that. 

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is denying the democrats a choice in their candidate for president. Sorry. 

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is denying the democrats a choice in their candidate for president. Sorry.


HAHAHA No she ain't. The voters are making the decision unlike in the GOPper where they plan to throw out the voice of its people to go with the establishment status quo. O My! 

This post epitomizes the twisted thought process of the intellectually deficient we call liberals. The basic premise of this post is that all the money belongs to the government and the government gets to decide how much you get to keep. 

I forget the statistics for Texas so this is probably off but i seem to remember there is a ratio of people in poverty/number of churches being something like a 6/1 ratio.

Imagine if churches actually did the mission Jesus laid out, there would be NO poverty. For these big Texas churches to take in 6 families each would amount to nothing.

All I see them do is adding buildings and more churches and the obligatory "small things" to not be accused of doing nothing.

Tax'em. 

If the government would do away with even half of the regulations they have in place it would help. If people didn't have to jump through so many hoops, maybe more businesses would start up. Health insurance regs have done terrible things to businesses of all sizes. 

I don't think the Church building itself should be taxed, but I find it wrong when a local pastor starts up a Church and uses the tithes to purchase a 4000 square foot home in a master planned community for his family to live in, not only for free to him, but the Church isn't paying taxes on the house. Shouldn't pastors live a life of sacrifice? JMO, but I would never want to attend a Church with a greedy pastor.

I agree with FNHO. After working with a church and seeing just how much money is spent on things that could/should be done by volunteers (or at least the paid staff), I saw at least %3000 a month that could have been used to help those with disabilities/extreme poverty. 

I think Catholic charity groups are among the largest contributors to non-governmental assistance to the poor. Last total I saw for the US was something like 15 - 20% of all the non-governmental assistance to the poor came from catholic affiliated charities.

And I don't think that number takes into account the catholic hospitals.

That number may decrease in the coming years if these organizations are mandated to include provisions for abortion and/or contraception in their health plans. 

Shouldn't pastors live a life of sacrifice

This reminds me of an old Jesuit joke.

So a Jesuit novitiate was at his first dinner celebrating the feast day of Saint Ignatius. After a huge meal of shrimp and crab, filet mignon, all the fixings, great wine, desert and brandy. The Novitate turned to the Jesuit priest next to him and said, if this is poverty bring on chastity. 

Shouldn't pastors live a life of sacrifice

Most do. Most are on call 24/7. Most visit the sick, those in jail, those that are dying, they perform wedding, baptisms, funerals. They work with charity groups for feeding and clothing the homeless and needy. The go behind the scenes and fund raise for the family whose air conditioner or furnace gave out, they do much more than what you see. and they will not boast about it, because it goes against Christ's teachings: Mathew 23:12 "For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted." 

This post epitomizes the twisted thought process of the intellectually deficient we call liberals. The basic premise of this post is that all the money belongs to the government and the government gets to decide how much you get to keep.



Uuuhhhhh, NO. The premise is that religion is a business and should be taxed as such. Come to think of it, businesses should be taxed as such also. 

it goes against Christ's teachings:



Big deal. So does your HATE FILLED behavior here. 

No hate from me Fuzz. 

The name is Judas and you are all about hate. Shall we go over your postings? 

Whatever you say Fuzz or Joe Blow. If anyone is filled with hate is you and your hatred of Christians and anyone who has differing opinion than yours.

Your screen name even says you are a twisted hate filled person. Seriously you consciously picked "Judas", why didn't you just pick Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Mao or any other of the world's current of previous evil doers. You are a mess. 

Leave the churches alone. I know that our church has a soup kitchen/shelter for homeless people, they fund all kinds of charities and they help out their church members when they need it by paying utility bills, rent, and groceries.

Church and family is where we should go for a handout. We should not go to the government for a handout. 

Leave the churches alone

No one, not even me the atheist wants churches to leave or be bothered. I believe that churches, temples, and all other places of worship have a useful place in society - for those that WANT to worship.

Your brand of Christianity and the church you belong to has a place, as do the mosques and temples, and every other organized group. Neither is more or less important than any other.

The church should cater to those that WANT to be catered to; the churches should preach to those that WANT to be preached to.
Churches should be a safe place for people to gather, worship, and feel welcomed.

What churches should NOT do is insert their beliefs into government or schools, and especially not into our legal system.

You are absolutely entitled to your beliefs, and you have a right to feel safe; you do not have a right to force the rest of us to believe in your god or your brand of religion. 

you do not have a right to force the rest of us to believe in your god or your brand of religion.?

I didn't say you should and I did not try to force you to be a believer. Your eternity is your problem, not mine. 

I didn't say you should and I did not try to force you to be a believer. Your eternity is your problem, not mine.

"You" is collective; I wasn't directing the comment specifically to you, although I do disagree that you don't attempt to force people into your religion.
You use religion as a negative tool, and you attempt to guilt people into believing in your god, with phrases like Your eternity is your problem, not mine. It's passive aggressive and doesn't shed a positive light on you.
But...I've come to expect nothing more from Christians who don't really believe in worshipping in a kind and loving way, which is why you guys are in the position you are in now, with people fleeing organized religion in America by the thousands.

I focus on life, and not death. You should too ;) 

What churches should NOT do is insert their beliefs into government or schools

Then don't go to any 6th grade world culture classes in Texas. They spend a month teaching Islam and the 5 pillars of Islam. 

Then don't go to any 6th grade world culture classes in Texas. They spend a month teaching Islam and the 5 pillars of Islam.

I taught world cultures last year and that is not true. 

Unless they changed the text book, it is true. 

Sorry, we do teach about Islam, but we also teach about many other religions ( Christianity, Hinduism, Budism etc...) But we do not spend a month just teaching about Islam. I was more disagreeing about the time than the subject matter. 

It's close to a month. And you do teach the 5 pillars of Islam, I have my child's worksheet, the teacher made them learn and repeat the Shahada, the Muslim profession of faith (?there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah?).. The rest of the curriculum just touches on Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism.

My kid was taught from Pearson's world culture's text book. 

Rage on karass

Are you suggesting people shouldn't learn? Your fear and hate doesn't mean everyone else should be equally ignorant.