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Capitol shooter was a "prophet of God"

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SoupIsGoodFood 1
SleightOfHand 1
Warren Peace 4
Joe Blow 1
3rd generation hippie 2
Emperor of Kingwood 6
Judas 1
a889324uu 9
Prolix Raconteur 7
AMDG 8
them 1
Giorgio Tsoukalos 1
JuanSequin 6
fuzz81 13
Karras 1

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fuzz81 --- 4 years ago -

Where is everyone condemning Christians? This Christian terrorist shot up the Capitol building because of the teachings of Jesus.

Dawson was arrested on a charge of assaulting a police officer in October after an outburst in the chamber of the House of Representatives. Court documents from that 2015 incident describe Dawson as a 66-year-old man from Tennessee. In that incident, according to the documents, Dawson "loudly stated to Congress he was a 'prophet of God.' " 

Judas --- 4 years ago -

I bet he was also calling sue-weeee a la' Deliverance.

Christianity, the religion of hate as can also be referenced by viewing the postings from some of the christians here on KU. 

a889324uu --- 4 years ago -

The KU Christians will ignore this.

They are too busy directing their hate towards over one billion peaceful people, and they want them to take responsibility for a few extremists.

They will avoid this thread. 

Warren Peace --- 4 years ago -

Where is everyone condemning Christians?

Is this a serious question?

Because it seems like there's an obvious answer. 

a889324uu --- 4 years ago -

Because it seems like there's an obvious answer.

The obvious answer is: when Christians kill in the name of their god, it is ignored by those same Christians that demand other faith adherents condemn the actions of the extremists in their faith.

One billion plus Muslims are peaceful and do not kill.
One billion plus Christians are peaceful and do not kill.

So why is it when an extremist Muslim kills, Christians expect us to condemn all, but when a Christian kills, we are expected to recognize that person isn't the norm and not an accurate representation of the entire religion?

Why do Christians get a pass, considering their past, but Muslims do not. 

Warren Peace --- 4 years ago -

So do all three of you read the same information about this incident and conclude that this guy is a radicalized Christian that is sincerely using violence to promote Christianity?

Not one of you thinks it's more likely some guy with mental health issues? 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 4 years ago -

Christians kill in the name of their god, it is ignored by those same Christians that demand other faith adherents condemn the actions of the extremists in their faith.

Because he is not Christian. He is a nut job claiming identity with Christianity but isn't practicing it. 

a889324uu --- 4 years ago -

So why is HE not a Christian, but any Muslim that does something bad IS a Muslim?

Why are Christians afforded the "mental health" excuse, but Muslims aren't?

The Bible is FULL of murder, rape, pillage, slavery - do you not read your own book?

He IS a Christian. He SAYS he is a Christian. He is committing acts for his religion. So yeah, he IS a Christian. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 4 years ago -

do you not read your own book?

This has been explained to you several times, because you don't like it doesn't mean its not fact. 

a889324uu --- 4 years ago -

This has been explained to you several times, because you don't like it doesn't mean its not fact.

So...that's a no? Either A. you haven't read the Bible, or B. you have read it, but you are going to pretend like slavery, rape, murder, etc. isn't in there.

Which is it? 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 4 years ago -

He IS a Christian. He SAYS he is a Christian. He is committing acts for his religion. So yeah, he IS a Christian.

No he is not Christian. He is self identifying with Christianity but he can point to no place in the New Testament that justifies his acts. 

a889324uu --- 4 years ago -

No he is not Christian. He is self identifying with Christianity but he can point to no place in the New Testament that justifies his acts.

Oh, I bet he could. You just wouldn't like the answer.

I see you are conveniently ignoring the Old Testament, because it doesn't fit your narrative.

He's a Christian. And he did a horrible thing. And instead of saying "yeah, what a horrible human being, and all Christians should condemn his actions" you want to justify and spin the situation.

Not at all surprising. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 4 years ago -

I see you are conveniently ignoring the Old Testament, because it doesn't fit your narrative.

For the third time, the Old Testament is NOT Christianity. 

them --- 4 years ago -

The only Christian pastor I've seen call for violence is Reverand Wright in Chicago.

This guy was deranged. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 4 years ago -

Liberals reaching......... AGAIN. 

Warren Peace --- 4 years ago -

Well kudos to jams for having the courage to ask the really hard questions while fuzzy and judas sit this one out to wrap their heads around the complicated conclusions at the root of this.

Here's a few very difficult observations that might help:

-Washington DC is the U.S. version of Mecca for the mentally ill
-the guy that got shot previously made an effort to make his presence and identity known to law enforcement
-the guy that got shot previously "disrupted" a congressional meeting by shouting out that he was a prophet and had nothing to follow that up with
-the guy that got shot for later pulling a gun outside the visitor center was a senior citizen
-the guy that got shot did not even get a round off before being dropped by law enforcement (probably due to attracting attention to himself)

Is it really much of a stretch to say that does not sound like the acts of a trained terrorist? 

JuanSequin --- 4 years ago -

LOl, reading through this guy's history. Nice try though. The Administration appreciates the distraction today. 

3rd generation hippie --- 4 years ago -

So you all don't want to condemn all of Christianity for the actions of a terrorist? Smells like hypocrisy to me. 

JuanSequin --- 4 years ago -

Raise the min wage or I'll shoot you with my pea shooter! 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 4 years ago -

So you all don't want to condemn all of Christianity for the actions of a terrorist? Smells like hypocrisy to me.

Except nowhere in Christianity is murder condoned whereas in Islam its expected. 

Warren Peace --- 4 years ago -

Raise the min wage or I'll shoot you with my pea shooter!?

So he was a leftist prophet armed with a pellet gun? LOL

Such terror we feel. We are all such hypocrites [/sarcasm] 

JuanSequin --- 4 years ago -

Yup, but he's ok. He's sharing a cigar with Obama's pastor down in Havana. 

fuzz81 --- 4 years ago -

Can anyone show where the New Testament affirms that the Old Testament doesn't "count"? Or is that just what you convince yourself of because it wouldn't fit the islamaphobia narrative? 

fuzz81 --- 4 years ago -

Jesus says those laws still count.

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven 

Joe Blow --- 4 years ago -

Can anyone show where the New Testament affirms that the Old Testament doesn't "count"?


Yeah I thought that dumb statement was pretty amusing myself.

LMFAO 

JuanSequin --- 4 years ago -

Jesus, himself fulfilled all the laws. He was the final sacrifice for all. Easter is about a person only, Jesus. There is only one in all faiths that came to die for all and redeem all that accept him. Only one.

If you don't believe,no problem. Carry on. Christians are required only to share the good news.

If you are truly searching then a decision has to be made. Because it's only about him and the claim about him. If it's true, it changes everything.

Anyone can celebrate Christmas. 

JuanSequin --- 4 years ago -

Jesus, himself fulfilled all the laws. He was the final sacrifice for all. Easter is about a person only, Jesus. There is only one in all faiths that came to die for all and redeem all that accept him. Only one.

If you don't believe,no problem. Carry on. Christians are required only to share the good news.

If you are truly searching then a decision has to be made. Because it's only about him and the claim about him. If it's true, it changes everything.

Anyone can celebrate Christmas. 

fuzz81 --- 4 years ago -

You didn't answe the question.

This is a thread about the hypocrisy of Christians who condemn Islam every time a nut job executes an attack.

As evidenced by posters above, they claim the difference is Quran vs bible teachings, and then say the Old Testament doesn't count. I'm asking someone to show me affirmation in the New Testament that nullifies the Old Testament as they claim.

Note that I of course don't think all Christians are somehow bad, just like I don't think all Muslims are bad. The point is, many people are bad regardless of their faith. 

JuanSequin --- 4 years ago -

Weird, your last comment was initially hidden and I had to open it. I have not blocked any comments or any posters.

I answered you. You may not fully get what I mean when Jesus fulfilled the law. I appreciate the clarification and did not expect an honest reply. I do not think all muslims wish our destruction either but a large % do and a larger % are complicit.

It's getting late and I've got to be up early for my India folks. In the referred passage Jesus is mainly referring to the ten commandments. If you really read the old testament you can see it is the history of the Jewish people. There are no Christians in the old testament.

And agreed, some are just bad regardless of the faith they claim. 

Karras --- 4 years ago -

I'm asking someone to show me affirmation in the New Testament that nullifies the Old Testament as they claim.

The Sermon on the Mount, The New Covenant. Jesus, as the Son of God, whose authority is greater than Moses, Christ Claims the new law, the righteousness leading towards perfection, to which the Mosaic Law and the prophets pointed. Jesus reveals the deeper meaning of several Old Testament laws, broadening their implications.

For example:

An "eye for eye" becomes "turn the other cheek" and "love your enemies." Not only must we forsake vengeance, even when its just retribution, we must treat others as God treats us, with mercy and grace. 

a889324uu --- 4 years ago -

The Old Testament DOES count, but I completely understand why modern day Christians like to pretend like it doesn't.

The Bible, again, is full of horror.

The Bible has been written and interpreted so many times though, it's hard to keep up. How many translations are there? HUNDREDS. It's mind blowing. 

AMDG --- 4 years ago -

This is a thread about the hypocrisy of Christians who condemn Islam every time a nut job executes an attack.

can we amend this to:

This is a thread about the hypocrisy of SOME, THE MINORITY or even better yet EMP, or FILL IN A NAME Christians who condemn Islam every time a nut job executes an attack.


I have asked this of you many many time Fuzz - but lumping the entire Christian world in on positions and comments like this is not only incorrect, but if that level of blanket condemnations were used on a group you agreed with - you would call foul. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 4 years ago -

The Old Testament DOES count, but I completely understand why modern day Christians like to pretend like it doesn't.

Lets see here, the atheist is telling Christians how to read their own document?. I'm afraid you don't know anything about the Bible. 

fuzz81 --- 4 years ago -

AMDG, I had a predicate in my statement. Christians who condemn Islam every time an attack occurs.

You seem to just want to remove the word Christian. Sorry, but they call themselves Christians while spewing their hate. 

AMDG --- 4 years ago -

The Bible, again, is full of horror.

The Bible has been written and interpreted so many times though, it's hard to keep up. How many translations are there? HUNDREDS. It's mind blowing.


The Bible is a very complex and complicated idea. Trying to communicate all the nuance and divergence both secular and theological in this little box is impossible.

All of those questions you asked above have had volumes upon volumes written in explanation from perspectives of literary, philosophic, and theological perspectives.

But to do my best in a sentence or two. The Bible as a collection of books that need to be understood and interpreted in its totality. The greatest disservice done to the Bible is when it is dissected to particular lines simple to make the specific point of the user.

I do not there can be any honest reading of the Bible in its totality that does not come away with the major themes being God loves us, we should love God, and we should love one another.

If someone is using the Bible, or God, for a purpose that is opposed to that overriding message, they are using the passage or God for their own purpose - not for God's 

AMDG --- 4 years ago -

AMDG, I had a predicate in my statement. Christians who condemn Islam every time an attack occurs.

I read your statement " Christians" , as a proper noun, meaning all. As I re -read you line, I still read it that way, and I still think that is what you meant - and this is a back peddle. 

fuzz81 --- 4 years ago -

no, it does not implicate all Christians, and is not a back peddle.

If I say "men who are gay", does that imply all men are gay? Didn't think so.

Why don't you come to the defense of Islam with the same passion every time the majority of the self described Christians on this site generalize all Muslims as terrorists? 

Prolix Raconteur --- 4 years ago -

Why do Christians get a pass, considering their past, but Muslims do not.

Because we aren't talking about hundreds of years ago; we are talking about massacres committed currently on a daily basis globally in the name of Islam. There is no comparison between modern day violence in the name of Islam and any other religion. One doesn't have to look far for verification of this.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

http://www.zerocensorship.com/r/isis#axzz44IjpenKM

http://www.zerocensorship.com/r/executions#axzz44IjpenKM 

AMDG --- 4 years ago -

no, it does not implicate all Christians, and is not a back peddle.

My bad - 

fuzz81 --- 4 years ago -

Why don't you come to the defense of Islam with the same passion every time the majority of the self described Christians on this site generalize all Muslims as terrorists??

But you ignore this... 

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