Unvaccinated children are spreading measles in the happiest place on earth.

Hope these parents are proud of their choices to expose their children to this  

Unvaccinated children are spreading measles in the happiest place on earth.



give us a break. it's happening all over so don't make it sound like its just in one location. measles mumps ect are all on the rise due to the ignorance of massive amoiunts of the population. 

Would you advocate for forced vaccination Perfection? I'm uncomfortable with that.

Our children are vaccinated because we weighed the pros and cons and thought that the pros outweighed the cons. But I wouldn't be comfortable making that decision for other families. 

Unvaccinated children are spreading measles in the happiest place on earth.

Problem:
Some were un-vaccinated.
Some were partially un-vaccinated: which could be for any number of reasons.

Also, there are going to be outbreaks from time to time. It's perfectly natural, even in a well vaccinated population. 

I'm not sure that's true- a number of previously eradicated diseases have been turning up, due to the large amount of unvaccinated children- not a good trend- 

a number of previously eradicated diseases have been turning up,

true-ish

due to the large amount of unvaccinated children- not a good trend-?

logical, but sometimes hard to prove.




"The majority of the people who got measles are unvaccinated."

-might be unvaccinated for a variety of reasons, and "majority" is not clarified

"Many of the cases in the U.S. in 2014 were associated with cases brought in from the Philippines. "

- According to the CDC, most of the outbreaks in the USA (except in 2008) are related to foreign outbreaks being brought here.

I'm NOT Anti-vaccine, but we should look for more statistics on this before we say "look at this trend being caused by people who aren't vaccinating". 

for perspective, this graph has the data from the 50's on through 2008. juxtaposed to the graph above it grants some perspective on cases in the last decade.



 

I'm so glad me and my kids are vaccinated! Getting measles or any childhood disease as an adult is far worse and more complicated. 

I will still not vaccinate my kids. Healthy people that get the measles will live to tell about it. 

I will still not vaccinate my kids. Healthy people that get the measles will live to tell about it.

Yes, but your un-vaccinated kids might infect someone that has a compromised immunity system and was unable to be vaccinated. That is the fear of my neighbor who has a child that can not get a vaccination due to his health issues. It is very contagious. 

This is Tyler's world and we just live in it. Clearly, he/she does not care about other people.

Lulz at the notion that "healthy people who get measles will live to tell about it." Why would you even want to put your child through that?

Fine, don't vaccinate your kids, but keep the germ bags at home. 

I will still not vaccinate my kids. Healthy people that get the measles will live to tell about it.?
How freaking selfish of a statement is that? 

As you can guess from Sat's graph, the first vaccine was in 1963 and the improved vaccine was in 1968. 

I find it interesting that "personal responsibility" is the war cry of many, but they won't admit it's conditional. VERY conditional.

As a society, we don't want to provide medical care or education, but then we want healthy individuals to cater to compromised individuals.
We want to force inoculation based on pharmaceutical demands, and don't respect an individuals right to not vaccinate.

It's all fascinating. 

I had the "big" measles as a child and it affected my eyes - I never had good vision after that. 

Fine, don't vaccinate your kids, but keep the germ bags at home.?
I will still not vaccinate my kids. Healthy people that get the measles will live to tell about it.?
How freaking selfish of a statement is that??
This is Tyler's world and we just live in it. Clearly, he/she does not care about other people.

What if my children couldn't get vaccinated due to health issues or allergic reactions? Everyone is quick to say my kids are germ bags or I am selfish.
I homeschool my DS so you don't have to worry about my germ around your children and just a reminder that even a full vaccinated child is 100% safe from an outbreak. 

If you have a valid medical reason not to vaccinate, then don't vaccinate.

But there are a lot of people who don't have a reason other than a (possibly) misguided view that vaccinations are likely to cause problems.

I haven't seen any credible research that indicates that vaccines increase odds for autism or other issues. But yeah, like everything that goes into the body there is always going to be a very small chance of a bad reaction.

Overall though, not vaccinating presents a greater probability of a bad outcome than a small chance of a problem with a vaccine. In my opinion of course. 

I haven't seen any credible research that indicates that vaccines increase odds for autism or other issues. But yeah, like everything that goes into the body there is always going to be a very small chance of a bad reaction.


My daughter hasn't be vaccinated and she has autism so I really don't see a link but anything is possible. 

I notice it's primarily the pro-vaccination camp that consistently brings up autism.

Those that elect to delay or withhold vaccinations rarely use autism as a reason not to vaccinate.
The educated ones don't bring up Jenny either. 

My daughter hasn't be vaccinated and she has autism so I really don't see a link but anything is possible.?

Right, I admit that I'm on the fence about the autism/thermisol link. Studies show it isn't valid, but a lot of people report that autism kicked in after vaccination (and not as well in your child's case). Could just be the age of onset coincides with when kids are typically given vaccines.

I suffered a very bad reaction to the MMR vaccine as a kid, and I am on the autistic spectrum (very mild obviously, and used to be called aspergers). Probably no link other than there possibly being an autoimmune connection b/w the two issues. Basically, it's probably not the vaccine but rather the autoimmune issue that triggers a bad reaction to MMR AND triggers autism. 

I notice it's primarily the pro-vaccination camp that consistently brings up autism.

I'm not in a camp.

Anyway, other than Autism and allergy reactions, what are the reasons not to vaccinate? Only other one I can come up with is the possibility that actually getting sick (and surviving it) confers greater immunity down the road. 

Some were un-vaccinated.
Some were partially un-vaccinated: which could be for any number of reasons.

Partially unvaccinated for MMR?

That would be all of the adult population by today's standards.

95% of people gain immunity after a single dose. Why vaccinate the 95% who have immunity a second time. Hmmmmmmmmmmm could it have to do with money? 

How do Christians, who are opposed to abortion, but pro-vaccines, justify the fact that the MMR vaccine was cultured in aborted fetal tissue?

The Vatican has justified the use. 

I suffered a very bad reaction to the MMR vaccine as a kid, and I am on the autistic spectrum (very mild obviously, and used to be called aspergers). Probably no link other than there possibly being an autoimmune connection b/w the two issues. Basically, it's probably not the vaccine but rather the autoimmune issue that triggers a bad reaction to MMR AND triggers autism.


My DD is aspergers as well. 

Then if YOU aren't in a camp, I wasn't referring to you.

Reasons to not vaccinate are varied, and each family makes a decision based on information, research, discussions with their doctor, etc.

Some are religious, some are paranoia of government being in cahoots with pharmaceutical companies (Perry comes to mind) and some are medically based. 

My DD is aspergers as well.?

Encourage education in STEM. Most of us are. Hell, my social skills (while bad) are better than many of my coworkers.

But relationships are a real b****, and likely to remain so. I'm an expert at saying the wrong thing at the wrong time and causing social misunderstandings. 

My problem is with people like ol Tyler who basically said he/she doesn't care if his/her kids get the measles. They will live to tell about it.

That, to me, is selfish. 

Why not place the blame for a supposed outbreak where it belongs?

Vaccine failure is the reason that a vaccinated person may become infected.

If the vaccine is doing its' job, it won't matter how many un-vaccinated people they pass in the grocery store, etc.

That is, after all the supposed reason for vaccinating, isn't it? Protection from infection or contagion?

If the un-vaccinated become infected because of their choice not to vaccinate, what do you care?

Those that are vaccinated are protected...or are they? 

My problem is with people like ol Tyler who basically said he/she doesn't care if his/her kids get the measles. They will live to tell about it.

That, to me, is selfish.

If I had said most people who get the flu live to tell about it I wouldn't be called selfish or I have germ bag kid. More people die from the flu in the US then they do measles but I don't hear people saying OMG you are a bad mother for not vaccination your kid against the flu. 

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If the un-vaccinated become infected because of their choice not to vaccinate, what do you care?

You know what, you are absolutely correct. I retract my previous statement. Other people's kids are not my business any more than my kids are their business.

And I am not being sarcastic. Whatcha is right. It is in no way up to me to make decisions for someone else's family. 

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If I had said most people who get the flu live to tell about it I wouldn't be called selfish or I have germ bag kid. More people die from the flu in the US then they do measles but I don't hear people saying OMG you are a bad mother for not vaccination your kid.

I didn't call you a bad mother. 

As you can guess from Sat's graph, the first vaccine was in 1963 and the improved vaccine was in 1968.?

yes but in all fairness:

Healthy people that get the measles will live to tell about it.

prior to the 1950's measles cases (and just about every other major disease) in the U.S. were declining aggressively due to improvements in nutrition, clean water and sanitation.

The vaccine crushed what was left. 

Vaccine failure is the reason that a vaccinated person may become infected.

If the vaccine is doing its' job, it won't matter how many un-vaccinated people they pass in the grocery store, etc.

I don't think you know how vaccines work. It's about probabilities, and those probabilities are affected by other health conditions. An unvaccinated person is more likely to contract/carry a disease than a vaccinated person with pneumonia who is more likely to get measles than a vaccinated healthy person.
...the healthy vaccinated person could still get the disease, it's just highly unlikely.... even more unlikely if everyone around that person is also vaccinated. 

Anyway, other than Autism and allergy reactions, what are the reasons not to vaccinate?

Autism is not a reason to avoid vaccination. That horse is dead, not mostly dead, dead. 

Autism is not a reason to avoid vaccination. That horse is dead, not mostly dead, dead.?

I didn't say it was a valid reason. 

I didn't say it was a valid reason

apologies. 

So apparently the employees that contracted it had been vaccinated and still got sick. I am assuming people over a certain age should get a booster if they are worried?

I am not talking about those born before the vaccine and have immunity because they contracted it as a child.

I know my mother told me that I was very sick with the measles and had Rheumatic fever as a complication that in turn damaged my heart. I was a toddler so I don't have a memory of it. 

You guys need to learn about herd immunity. We do not get herd immunity from vaccines. We get herd immunity from having the disease. Vaccines have been found to be effective from 2 - 10 years. So, what you have is a faults sense of protection. 

What I wonder is if the CDC, etc feel that vaccines are the end all, be all, why aren't they pressuring big pharma to create vaccines that are more palatable to those who have objections to vaccines? For example, why can't big pharma create a separate measles, mumps, and rubella only vaccine instead of the combo? Why don't they create a vaccine schedule that addresses the concerns of many parents who question the logic of attacking a newborn's developing immune system with 6 different diseases along with the heavy metals and carcinogenic inactive ingredients in the immunizations. 

But there are a lot of people who don't have a reason other than a (possibly) misguided view that vaccinations are likely to cause problems.

Well put FisherKIng. I wonder if those parents that didn't vaccinate their kids are having decision remorse.