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randyjet 6
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RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

Ran into a friend of mine today. He expressed amazement that most Democrats go along with the Iran deal.

The American public does not support it. Most Jewish-American Democratic politicians do not support it. The GOP does not support it.

1) The supreme head of Iran yesterday said Iran will not honor the agreement, even though Obama and Kerry say he will (Does not get any stupider than that).
2) The supreme head of Iran says the country will destroy Israel and America.
3) Iran continues to pay bounties for dead Americans.
4) Kerry, Obama, and most Democrats say we should go ahead with the deal, because it is possible the Iranians are not saying what they mean (I.E.,Even though they say they will kill us?..they might not).
5) Amazingly, the Democrats are supporting the financing of the nuclear weapons program.
6) Iran continues to hold Americans as prisoners.

Are the Americans going along with the Iran deal delusional or (pardon the crudeness) just plain stupid? What do you think?

Poll (Check yes or no).

1. The Iranians do not mean it when they say they will destroy America and Israel. Yes ___ No ___
2. I agree with Obama. We should trust these guys in spite of what they are telling us. Yes ___ No ___

The results will be published before the first nuclear attack by Iran.

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AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

I really, really hope I'm wrong and ten years from now they aren't ready to declare war on Israel. 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

I would love to be wrong too. I would not mind being made fun of. 

DVaz --- 3 years ago -

The Military Industrial Complex wants continuous war.

Gotta keep the money flowing to keep the war machine rolling. 

Markster --- 3 years ago -

I really, really hope I'm wrong and ten years from now they aren't ready to declare war on Israel.

I do too. But in the event it does happen; The U.S. is there too. 

witchywoman --- 3 years ago -

Ran into a friend of mine today. He expressed amazement that most Democrats go along with the Iran deal.

The American public does not support it.



You make it sound like Democrats aren't a part of the American public. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 3 years ago -

I do too. But in the event it does happen;

If it happens, then it's too late.

You think the Israelis are OK with you saying: "Hey! If Iran cheats and gets a nuke and uses it on you. We'll be there to clean up after your country is wiped off the face of the earth" 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

I guess it is not only a segment of Democrats in denial, there are quite a few on Kingwood Underground too. 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

I guess it is not only a segment of Democrats in denial, there are quite a few on Kingwood Underground too. 

Zapper009 --- 3 years ago -

Do you even have a clue about what you have posted???

Why would we not want an agreement?

What is the alternative?

Possibly, a "bigly" solution by Trump... 

ThisLady --- 3 years ago -

Not sure if this is a democrat issue or a straight up denial by dumb-founded people... 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

Do you even have a clue about what you have posted???

It's not a particularly hard concept to understand.

1) Countries throughout history have waged war. In the case of Iran, they are a theocracy. They believe they are inspired by the almighty to wage war. They have never deviated from that.

2) The supreme leader of Iran says he has no plans of going along with deals between the U.S. and Iran. So why are we reinforcing his goal? A comparison could be drawn between an alcoholic and his addiction. Perhaps it is best to leave the alcoholic alone (and isolated) rather than supplying him with an abundance of cheap alcohol. No deal is better than a deal that encourages nuclear proliferation.

It's a no-brainer. What does that say about the Democratic party? 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

The dumbest folks are the ones who think this agreement is based on trust and who put out push polls to try and get support for their stupidity. The opponents fail on all points since they have stated no reasons that the inspections are inadequate, nor can they find nuclear physicists who have objections that hold water. The one subject opponents refuse to address is the FACT that Israel has over 100+ deliverable nukes. So even if Iran gets a nuke, they will become a radioactive wasteland if they drop one on Israel. The fact is that nukes are only good against those who do not have them. Thus the real worry is that Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan are possible targets rather than Israel. 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

So even if Iran gets a nuke, they will become a radioactive wasteland if they drop one on Israel.

A theocracy, such as Iran, does not care if they turn the Middle East into a wasteland. They believe it is part of their end-time scenario. They believe it is what their god expects. You are thinking like the Democrats and not like Iranians. 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

. No deal is better than a deal that encourages nuclear proliferation.

The fact is that without this deal, the experts say Iran will have a nuke in about one year. THAT is proliferation. So the real reason that some people are against this deal is that they prefer going to war against Iran, and they need this as an excuse. Please at least try and be honest and say you want war with Iran since that is the only way you can stop Iran from getting nukes without this deal. If you think Iraq was a great idea, then you will really love Iran since they are larger and better armed than Iraq was.

If you are opposed to this deal, you need to put your own on the line and either join the military, or have your sons, daughters, and grandkids join since we will need at least an increase in the Army by about 500,000 troops to occupy Iran, which also means the draft will have to be activated. 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

Before the United States tries to put together a deal they should study Iran a little more. Some books state that cabinet ministers must sign a formal pledge of support for the Twelfth Imam. This individual is suppose to come in the last days and herald chaos (I.E., nuclear war).

People who understand Iran say what Obama and Kerry have put together is crazy. 

logic --- 3 years ago -

The fact is that without this deal, the experts say Iran will have a nuke in about one year.

LOL, this deal won't stop that from happening. Get your head out of the sand. 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

They believe it is part of their end-time scenario. They believe it is what their god expects

That sounds like many if not most of the so called Christians on this site too. In fact, that is why so many evangelicals support Israel since they believe the end time is near. We did not go to war with the Soviet Union, and I am sure that they were worried about the US doing the same. The Soviets were atheist, and the US military believed that they would go to heaven if they died. So were the Soviets right to be worried about US intentions? 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

LOL, this deal won't stop that from happening. Get your head out of the sand.

If Iran violates the deal, we have lost nothing, and the Iranians will still have sanctions on them and they don't get their money back. Whose head is in the sand? 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

Their property and monies are being released, undoubtedly to be used to finance terrorism. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 3 years ago -

"The fact is that without this deal, the experts say Iran will have a nuke in about one year.

LOL, this deal won't stop that from happening. Get your head out of the sand."





Not sure Jesus would be talking to people with that kind of disrespect. People are watching your witness. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 3 years ago -

I don't understand why people think the alternative to a bad deal is war. We've had sanctions in place for awhile now- they're anxious to have those sanctions removed- they would have eventually given us more. It's a big mistake to judge what they'll do by western logic- these are people who strap bombs on their children. They don't care if Israel bombs them. It won't take many bombs to wipe Israel off the face of the world- they're a very tiny country. 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

they would have eventually given us more

In less than one year without this agreement Iran will have enough material for a bomb. Waiting any longer only aids Iran hardliners who want to get a nuke more than they want economic advancement. Once they have the material, it will be even harder to monitor and verify any agreement. Thus waiting only aids Iran and makes any agreement far more problematic. 

randyjet --- 3 years ago -

undoubtedly to be used to finance terrorism

Of course, Israel, the UK and later the US used terrorism since 1945. Read the book MI-6 for all the gory details of how MI-6 declared war on the Soviet Union in 1945. Then you can ask Cubans about how the US supported Cuban exile terrorists who blew up a Cuban jet airliner. We certainly cannot forget about how the US Navy shot down an Iranian airliner, killing over 200 civilians in an act of war. 

logic --- 3 years ago -

Not sure Jesus would be talking to people with that kind of disrespect.

LOL, it isn't disrespectful to tell someone to open their eyes to the truth. Since it is something that Jesus did many times, Jesus has no problem with my witness.

What I said is no different than telling someone to "pay attention". Just more of your bias exhibited.

What does the idiom 'head in the sand' mean?

It means you're ignoring an unpleasant fact or situation, in the hopes that it'll change. 

a889324uu --- 3 years ago -

What does the idiom 'head in the sand' mean?

You're the expert on it; why don't you explain it to us.

Ray, you lack the education and experience to really do more than offer your opinions on this deal, based on the media information you have been fed.

While you won't admit it, you don't have any insider knowledge that trumps the information experts from multiple countries have.

The fact is, some Republicans and military experts DO support this deal.
Some Democrats do NOT support the deal.

Some Christians are desperately attempting to turn America into a theocracy, so don't clutch pearls over Iran being the same.

Your problem is - sane, intelligent Americans won't allow your version of god slither into our government.

This is not a Christian nation - not then, not now, not ever.

Before the United States tries to put together a deal they should study Iran a little more.

I'm not sure if we are supposed to be appalled or impressed by your arrogance.
Who are you to suggest the US doesn't know anything about Iran? You read a biased book? You saw a clip on Glenn Beck? Did Alex Jones whisper something to you?

Experts, Ray, experts.
You aren't one of them when it comes to this deal. 

fuzz81 --- 3 years ago -

Very well said jams 

logic --- 3 years ago -

Some Christians are desperately attempting to turn America into a theocracy, so don't clutch pearls over Iran being the same.

No Christian I've ever heard or seen wants that. Christians just don't want sin in America. 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

No Christian I've ever heard or seen wants that. Christians just don't want sin in America.?

Excellent point. When was the last time you knew of a Baptist theocracy wanting to develop a nuclear bomb to use against a Muslim country? 

RayofHope --- 3 years ago -

Ray, you lack the education and experience to really do more than offer your opinions on this deal, based on the media information you have been fed.

That was actually a pretty ignorant remark, since you know nothing of my educational and experiential background.

Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black (I'll explain if you don't understand the expression). 

Markster --- 3 years ago -

Delusional Democrats?

What will these right wingers do when,
They take the White-House AGAIN in 2016?
Its not a matter of if. Check a poll. Any Poll. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 3 years ago -

Watch out, Ray. She's only a few hours away from getting her anthropology degree.

Just one more basket weaving class at Cougar High and she'll be smarter than everyone else on KU. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 3 years ago -

That was actually a pretty ignorant remark, since you know nothing of my educational and experiential background.

But she attempted to berate you in a post that used big words with multiple syllables, with at least TWICE as many words as yours.

LOL 

Hiro Protagonist --- 3 years ago -

Colin Powell thinks it's a good deal. 

them --- 3 years ago -

Who did Colin Powell support for president? 

Markster --- 3 years ago -

2) The supreme leader of Iran says he has no plans of going along with deals between the U.S. and Iran. So why are we reinforcing his goal? A comparison could be drawn between an alcoholic and his addiction. Perhaps it is best to leave the alcoholic alone (and isolated) rather than supplying him with an abundance of cheap alcohol. No deal is better than a deal that encourages nuclear proliferation.

Name ONE country that has used an Atomic or Nuclear device in war.

The whole world knows Israel has nuclear capabilities. This deal is dependent on Iran meeting guide lines.
This deal is better than no deal. 

Eclipse --- 3 years ago -

This deal is better than no deal.

Not sure that I agree with you on that, Mark.

But we can agree to disagree. 

Hiro Protagonist --- 3 years ago -

Who did Colin Powell support for president??


Does that somehow negate his experiences and qualifications? 

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