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Interesting perspective on the border situation

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Saturn 1
SoupIsGoodFood 1
AwesomeTattooedDragon 4
I_won't_tell 3
SagaciousSighFiGurl 2
sdanielmcev 2
Emperor of Kingwood 1
SodaPopAndRitalin 1
Markster 4
Prolix Raconteur 3
fuzz81 1
OrdinaryGuy 4
KwMillennial 2

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I_won't_tell --- 10 days ago -

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AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 10 days ago -

That's really sad- I can't imagine how he feels. 

fuzz81 --- 10 days ago -

Ugh ATD. Why do you feed into this nonsense? Nobody is walking into the country. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 10 days ago -

I understand how the poor must feel, though- 

OrdinaryGuy --- 10 days ago -

fuzz81 --- 17 min ago - quote - hide comments
Ugh ATD. Why do you feed into this nonsense? Nobody is walking into the country. 


I guess you don't listen to the news. 

Prolix Raconteur --- 10 days ago -

Why do you feed into this nonsense? Nobody is walking into the country.

No, they're mostly apprehended at the border, claim asylum and are released on their own reconnaissance with a court date 2 years out that they never show up for. 

OrdinaryGuy --- 10 days ago -

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So true! 

Markster --- 10 days ago -

Last sentence.."Think about that crap for a second". That is just what that rant is, crap.
I don't doubt the author is a combat vet that is out of work and struggling. Adjusting from combat to civilian is not easy and most vets are not able to do it. That said:
Our gov has the intell to determine if the claim of asylum is BS or not. If the US is NOT going to be the police of the world, fine. Expect a flood of people fleeing for their life's when things go bad. Since this is the path our gov has taken, we should be sending judges and lawyers to process the large number of people claiming asylum, instead of armed military personnel separating children from parents.

IMO:
The question should be. "Is it cheaper to be the planet police, or provide asylum for those that can make it to our borders? 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 10 days ago -

No, Mark, that isn't the question- there's a process for becoming a citizen, and it isn't flooding our borders and trying to force your way in. We don't have to provide asylum for illegals- If they insist on trying to run over customs, they'll be arrested. Trump has said there will be no catch and release- only catch. It's on them if they end up separated from their babies behind barb wire. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 10 days ago -

He never said it was illegal. Keep up. 

KwMillennial --- 10 days ago -

neither side is making sense. I read only 2 positions about the caravan:

One side says they are a bunch of migrants seeking legal asylum. But since when do asylum seekers decide to suddenly band together and walk to the border to apply in mass. Wouldn’t that just overwhelm the process and make it likely that your unique situation will be overlooked. It seems to be a very bad strategy if you truly want legal asylum.

The other side calls them invaders and say they want to come here illegally. Why would they do it so openly with massive tv coverage. It seems to be a very bad strategy if you truly want to come here illegally.

The one theme both sides have in common is they both view this caravan as a bunch of desperate and stupid people who probably would not contribute much to this country even if they were allowed in. 

KwMillennial --- 10 days ago -

Raise awareness about Honduras? Or raise awareness that they are following a legal process to apply for asylum in the US? 

I_won't_tell --- 10 days ago -

STOP THE LYING!

Asking for asylum is just a tactic - we all know it.

Asylum = the protection granted by a nation to someone who has left their native country as a political refugee. 

OrdinaryGuy --- 10 days ago -

Our gov has the intell to determine if the claim of asylum is BS or not

The problem with your logic (if you can call it that) is that it takes years for an illegal alien's asylum claim to get to court. Most never show up for the court date. You forgot that fact. 

OrdinaryGuy --- 10 days ago -

The question to ask is why are the caravans mostly made up of working age men? There are very few women and children. 

Saturn --- 10 days ago -

Let em' cross the border and then help them get to Canada, just like Mexico is helping them to get the USA.

Let fuzz and the Canadians deal with them. 

Prolix Raconteur --- 10 days ago -

Our own State Dept reports that the caravans are 80% males aged 15-35. They're not refugees. They're looking for work to send money back home to Honduras etc. Nothing new. 

SodaPopAndRitalin --- 10 days ago -

What I find interesting is that conservatives typically respond with the old "pull yourselves up by your bootstraps" but seem to be quiet on men like this.

Jason Robinson is mad at the wrong people - he supports a government that has failed him miserably, and condemns people fleeing violence and oppression (caused, in part, by the government he supports that has never cared about him...)

If you look at his FB profile, you will see a nice house with a lot of guns and Harley equipment/bikes.
He posts a lot of racist, bigoted nonsense as well.

Seems to be he's either a liar, or he's responsible for a lot of his own shortcomings in life.

Stop falling for this junk.

The question to ask is why are the caravans mostly made up of working age men? There are very few women and children.

That simply isn't true.

Our own State Dept reports

They also claim there are ISIS and MS13 members mixed in there. 

Markster --- 10 days ago -

- there's a process for becoming a citizen

That's why the U.S. needs to send judges and lawyers to expedite the "process for becoming a citizen"or asylum. 

Prolix Raconteur --- 10 days ago -

What I find interesting is that conservatives typically respond with the old "pull yourselves up by your bootstraps" but seem to be quiet on men like this.

Those are conservative ideals. Just do it LEGALLY, like so many millions before them. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 10 days ago -

Exactly, Prolix- In answer to you, Mark- judges and lawyers don't need to do that- those people need to go home and go through the process of asking for asylum. I'm sure your ancestors did that- I know mine did. They had to have a sponsor to put up money for them- usually a relative already here- they had to learn the language- everything, including the citizenship test! 

Markster --- 10 days ago -

judges and lawyers don't need to do that- those people need to go home

Then why do we have a process??

"No, Mark, that isn't the question- there's a process for becoming a citizen". Your words.

We also have a process for asylum. Since armed military cant oversee that process. We need judges and lawyers. Have you no compassion for people running for their lives? Think of the Jews in Germany. I bet they wish they had a place to go. 

Markster --- 10 days ago -

 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 10 days ago -

Let's not compare the Holocaust to this. The Jews were being slaughtered and chased down like dogs and killed, imprisoned and tortured. So dramatic, untrue descriptions don't help.


We DO have a process and it's not to send judges and lawyers to meet illegal aliens. And for what?? It's just time to enforce immigration laws and if we need to change some, fine, lets do it. But let's go forward realizing these folks are NOT guaranteed entry, Or special consideration. They need to ASK to come in, to apply and travel thru normal channels bc they have no guarantees, and no one before them did either. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 10 days ago -

You just spew diarrhea in general. Stop trolling or you'll be iced. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 10 days ago -

It's just time to enforce immigration laws

Yes it is. Catch at the border and turn them back. Arrest illegals and deport those already here. 

sdanielmcev --- 9 days ago -


We also have a process for asylum. Since armed military cant oversee that process. We need judges and lawyers.


Wrong again. The military is for protecting our borders. 

sdanielmcev --- 9 days ago -

but seem to be quiet on men like this.
Are you in this country? The USofA? Probably the only bipartisan issue by all congressmen. 

I_won't_tell --- 4 days ago -

Go TRUMP!
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