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If you want to know the root cause of the Santa Fe shooter's issues

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idontplaynice 18
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TinktheSprite 3
DVaz 1
Judas 2
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idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

Look at the dad.

The dad was charged multiple times for assault, and convicted of illegal dumping. He most recently punched a man in the face in 2012.

The dad is the owner of North American Marine, a local company that services ships.

The dad says of his son, the shooter:

"My son, to me, is not a criminal. He's a victim."

"I feel the pain of the others, but I have the same pain. I have the same exact pain"

"Something must have happened now, this last week. Somebody probably came and hurt him, and since he was a solid boy, I don't know what could have happened. I can't say what happened. All I can say is what I suspect as a father, because I've lost my boy."

One of the guns used in the shooting, a sawed-off shotgun owned by the dad, is also considered illegal by the ATF, since sawed-off shotguns are prohibited unless proper permit and licensing is obtained.

So, there it is, the dad is a big POS who has his own anger issues, and likes to blame others. No empathy for other parents' anguish.

It's not the guns' fault. The boy never learned how to handle rejection.

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Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

You're hurting my head. You are almost if not definitely proving the other side's view on gun control. 

Not KU --- 2 years ago -

"I feel the pain of the others, but I have the same pain. I have the same exact pain"

I think that's just how that person is coping with grief. His grief. 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

You're hurting my head. You are almost if not definitely proving the other side's view on gun control.


It's parenting. The boy was entitled and couldn't handle rejection from a girl. His dad has the same mindset. That's what caused the boy to go shooting. It wasn't the guns.

What don't you understand? I take it you approve of the dad's parenting style and attitude. 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

I think that's just how that person is coping with grief. His grief.



Guns don't make anyone do anything.

It's influences and indoctrination that does that. 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

He's probably also seeing the future of his company deteriorating. This is just tragic bad all the way around. 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

He's probably also seeing the future of his company deteriorating. This is just tragic bad all the way around.


You are unbelievable.

Who gives a $#&* about his company?

I can see, we're going to have more violent kids. And it isn't because of the guns.

The shooter was yelling "woohoo" and "another one bites the dust" as he was killing people. 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

What don't you understand? I take it you approve of the dad's parenting style and attitude.?

Are you asking or assuming?

Look, I wasn't born yesterday. I get it...everything about this situation for you is about setting up the statement of "Guns aren't the problem". Got it; that was my point. It is oversimplified and juvenile; that was why I said you were hurting my head.

And, I'm pretty sure everyone else will see through it also. 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

You are unbelievable.

Who gives a $#&* about his company?


He does ship repair and industrial cleaning. You are aware that a company such as that employs others, right? Other people; other families will be hurt as well. This is tragic ALL the way around. Things like this don't happen in a bubble; it has ripple effects throughout the whole community. 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

Are you asking or assuming?

Look, I wasn't born yesterday. I get it...everything about this situation for you is about setting up the statement of "Guns aren't the problem". Got it; that was my point. It is oversimplified and juvenile; that was why I said you were hurting my head.

And, I'm pretty sure everyone else will see through it also.?




I am shocked by the obvious lack of empathy in the dad's words. He clearly believes his son was a victim of bullies. Yet, most of those shot were female. So, his son was bullied by girls and female teachers?

I am against gun control. That is true and I won't deny it.

But how can anyone deny that bad parenting is responsible for much of kids' behavior these days, unless those deniers are the bad parents themselves.

If guns caused that kid to go do that, I'll accept it. But I don't think that's the case here. 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

He does ship repair and industrial cleaning. You are aware that a company such as that employs others, right? Other people; other families will be hurt as well. This is tragic ALL the way around. Things like this don't happen in a bubble; it has ripple effects throughout the whole community.?



I personally hope the dad's company will go out of business. There will be other companies and employers to fill the void. It's a free market after all.

I can't believe you're taking a pro-business stance in a situation like this. That's just bizarre. 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

Also I was responding to the Markster's observations of the frame of mind his father was in, I did not qualify his possible concerns; I only stated what he might be thinking about.

And, you keep making things up because you are so bent on making your statement such as But how can anyone deny that bad parenting is responsible for much of kids' behavior these days, unless those deniers are the bad parents themselves.

Who here has said this? 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

I can't believe you're taking a pro-business stance in a situation like this. That's just bizarre.?
Again, you fail to see my point :( 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

Myra801, I can see you're one of those parents, trying to justify the way they raise their kids. 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

I am shocked by the obvious lack of empathy in the dad's words.
Finally a real statement of fact!

Yes, I too was shocked by the Dad's words if not infuriated but maybe it is like the Markster said and it is his way of coping with the grief.

And, that was when I made my supposition that the father was also perhaps afraid of losing his business. A hypothetical supposition that you then attributed many things to.

Are we done here, dude? 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

Who here has said this?


You've been here 19 days, and yet you're an authority on what people here say? Haha 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

Myra801, I can see you're one of those parents, trying to justify the way they raise their kids.
Then you "see" in error...again :( or are you just throwing out jabs now ;) 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

You've been here 19 days, and yet you're an authority on what people here say? Haha?

Ah...you ARE just throwing out jabs. I have been HERE 19 days...not alive for 19 days ;)

your move... 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

And, that was when I made my supposition that the father was also perhaps afraid of losing his business. A hypothetical supposition that you then attributed many things to.


So, you're defending the father because he might lose his business and cause his employees to lose their jobs? Really, that is your big concern?

What about the 10 families who will never see their kids again?

The dad enabled that behavior. When people read that article, no amount of PR will stop his company from losing business. The dad's own words in that interview condemned him. 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

Ah...you are just throwing out jabs. I have been HERE 19 days...not alive for 19 days ;)

your move...




But you said who HERE said this. Not who EVER said this.

Hah 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

Anyway, talk all you want Myra801, I know enough about you based on your words. God help your kids, and the people who come in contact with them. 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

So, you're defending the father because he might lose his business and cause his employees to lose their jobs? Really, that is your big concern?

I cannot help it if you cannot read and comprehend what I have said. You are arguing with statements you have made and not the ones I have made.

Would you like time to reread everything;)

Yes, I am having fun....how can I not... you are chasing your own tail and keep saying you have identified mine! 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

Yes, I am having fun....how can I not... you are chasing your own tail and keep saying you have identified mine!?


This isn't exactly a "fun" topic. Gross. Sociopath identified. 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

Anyway, talk all you want Myra801, I know enough about you based on your words. God help your kids.

Wrong guess....just stop... you're embarrassing yourself :) 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

Wrong guess....just stop... you're embarrassing yourself :)



And you're outing yourself, as a total sociopath with zero empathy. 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

Okay idontplaynice, I have to go now...don't hurt yourself with all that misplaced angst and just so you know it's in reality:

the parent's fault
the society's fault
the school administration's fault
the congress's fault
the president's fault
the past president's fault
your fault
my fault

take it easy, dude. 

SagaciousSighFiGurl (Mod) --- 2 years ago -

"My son, to me, is not a criminal. He's a victim."

"I feel the pain of the others, but I have the same pain. I have the same exact pain"




He?s messed up. He thinks the bullying makes him a victim, and it does. However to say that is of the same intensity or degree, is delusional.

The other parents have DEAD kids. And his kid killed them. His comments are completely insensitiv and warped. 

Not KU --- 2 years ago -

Ah...you ARE just throwing out jabs. I have been HERE 19 days...not alive for 19 days ;)

your move...



Well said. 

Judas --- 2 years ago -

I wonder what you'd say if your kid was bullied for a long long time and then did this in retaliation. I am not saying it was justified by any stretch of the imagination. No matter how you slice it, it is still his child that he lost and is grieving for. That he killed ten kids, well poppa is probably in shock over that. 

Judas --- 2 years ago -

And you're outing yourself, as a total sociopath with zero empathy.?



Go back to the island, Gilligan. I mean JW. FN YAWN 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 2 years ago -

Idontplaynice, I couldn't agree with you more. The father's a loose cannon, with a history of violence. He feels the same pain as the parents of the dead children? Really? His guns were illegal, and easy to access, apparently. What a POS. 

Not KU --- 2 years ago -

His guns were illegal, and easy to access, apparently. What a POS.

Would you agree that gun laws need to be stricter?
Secondly. I think only ONE of the guns were illegal. The Shotgun was sawed off. If you can Dragon, specify how both were illegal. If not, thats ok. 

DVaz --- 2 years ago -

Don't want to get bullied. Learn martial arts and kick some bully a**. Quit being such a pansy! 

TinktheSprite --- 2 years ago -

Bad Parenting wins.
If the kid was being bullied someone should have seen the signs including the parents. The kid was rejected by a GIRL. So he killed her??? They left the guns available to a minor. If the dad had legal ownership of the weapons, they should be taken away because he mishandled them and allowed a child access to them.
This is not about gun control as it is about responsibly owning them. If you can't be responsible with your weapons then you can't have them. Simple. 

Myra801 --- 2 years ago -

Don't want to get bullied. Learn martial arts and kick some bully a**. Quit being such a pansy!?

I agree with you to a point. Helping a child learn how to defend themselves also increases their self-esteem. It is the emotional bullying that will wear kid's souls down too, though.

And, I agree with TinktheSprite, if he was being bullied then someone should have seen the signs.But, kids live seperate worlds from their parents now; even the conscientious parents can sometimes be surprised by what their kids are up to online.

Social media has its rewards but I don't know if teens can handle the ungodly pressures that all this "connectivity" now imposes on them. 

Not KU --- 2 years ago -

Well said Myra 

jackass --- 2 years ago -

Didn?t OP mention something about the psychos dad punching somebody?


Sounds like a great solution...someone around here needs to never have kids. 

Prolix Raconteur --- 2 years ago -

Technically the dad didn't allow a minor access to any weapons. In Texas, 17 is considered adult in the case of felony crimes. The kid is 17. 

idontplaynice --- 2 years ago -

Well said Myra



Myra, any endorsement from Markster won?t help you around here. Markster claims to be an architect although he knows nothing about building design (I know because that?s my profession).

He?s just an old man wasting his remaining years away posting here for a semblance of relevance. 

Not KU --- 2 years ago -

Myra, any endorsement from Markster won?t help you

He?s just an old man wasting his remaining years away posting here for a semblance of relevance.

Is that a recruiting tactic or a personal attack? You dont have any clue as to what kind of building design Im referring to. Your remarks to that comment are clear, you must not be good at design. Maybe you have done architectural work. Building design obviously isn't your strong suit. Neither is narrow minded recruiting..

Myra, any endorsement from Markster won?t help you around here.
Are you the clan leader of the narrow-minded lock-step bobbettes?
I find you to be as pathetic as the mods that turn a blind eye to these types of personal attacks. 

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