...Wasn't Mexico supposed to build it?? Not that Mexico would but I thought a certain someone running for President said that was how it would be done. 

No. Mexico will pay for the wall building. 

I doubt any thing is ever going to happen...with that wall. 

I wouldn't bet against it. 

No. Mexico will pay for the wall building.

Correct but there's still some undefined terms here. Whats the definition of wall and by what means will MX pay for it? 

Emp, are you fer or agin? 

Well it depends on definition of wall. In some areas a brick and mortar or steel wall seems appropriate. But, obviously a wall is not going to be built in the middle of the Rio Grand. In this area some enhanced electronic means would serve as some sort of wall if you define wall as a barrier.

Also, authorization of deadly force would serve as a deterrent. 

C'mon people -

How many anti-wall folks leave their doors open or unlocked? I bet none.

Almost anyone could still break in? Right? Why not leave it unlocked?

"The illegals" can get over/under the wall is a LAME EXCUSE not to build the wall!!!!

Is a vaccine always 100% effective? No.
IT IS MOSTLY effective and absolutely worthy of the expense.

A Wall will work WAY better than no Wall.

Listening to guidance from the same GOBERMENTAL experts that got us to right here.

Their sage advice is NOT WORKING!

The GREATEST nation in history and we can't secure our F'ing border. Really?
This is a JOKE! (not strong enough)
This is a major league CF!

100% responsibility rests on the shoulders of all the leaders "we" elected in the past.

100% responsibility rests on our shoulders -
"we" elected these lousy leaders - that haven't solved the border problem.

STOP LISTENING to "them" and think for yourself.

Please people use some of the common sense GOD gave you. 

Also, authorization of deadly force would serve as a deterrent. 


WE need this^ and the wall. Then there is no way they can think we may want them here and if they come anyway will come full knowing they may die or they will be turned back. 

This whole wall thing makes you ask a few questions... For instance instead of spending 30B dollars on something that is, at least, Somewhat questionable as far as success is concerned, why don't we make laws HERE that put pressure on any business hiring illegals??

The truth is we HAVE immigration laws. We (meaning every administration) has turned a blind eye to enforcing them. Now we have a real problem with what that decision is costing us as fall out.
It seems to me it would be cheaper if we just discouraged them by putting pressure on our own companies and employers to not hire illegals. They have ALL played a part in their being able to exist here.

Building an expensive wall doesn't seem practical when we can intact laws that would work if they were enforced. 

if we just discouraged them by putting pressure on our own companies and employers to not hire illegals.
We already have those laws. Don't need to enact more. 

We already have those laws. Don't need to enact more.

Enforcement of existing laws would be a good start. Also, no public funds or services of any kind should go to any illegal alien. 

Does anyone know HOW they should be enforcing the laws?? I mean what do they do to prove violation and what are the consequences??

I agree new laws might not be needed but I was thinking of making them address this issue of employment here in a direct and penetrating way and not sure if the old ones were truly very effective even if observed as they should have been? 

Also, no public funds or services of any kind should go to any illegal alien.

What services do you believe they receive?
They aren't eligible for food stamps, social security (despite paying into it) welfare and other federal benefits.
While yes, there are exceptions to every rule, it's a lie that they abuse the system.
A white male living in Kingwood is more likely to receive and abuse benefits than an undocumented immigrant. 

despite paying into it

Illegals do not pay into social security. 

Illegals get free medical care at ERs. Parents of anchor babies do get assistance for the child. Illegals get free legal assistance. As a result of the 1982 SCOTUS decision states are required to provide education through k12 regardless of legal status. That includes meals. 

18.5 Billion worth

forbes



"Current federal policy is to prohibit federal tax funding of health care to unauthorized immigrants through either Medicaid or Obamacare. Nevertheless, rough estimates suggest that the nation's 3.9 million uninsured immigrants who are unauthorized likely receive about $4.6 billion in health services paid for by federal taxes, $2.8 billion in health services financed by state and local taxpayers, another $3.0 bankrolled through "cost-shifting" i.e., higher payments by insured patients to cover hospital uncompensated care losses, and roughly $1.5 billion in physician charity care. In addition to these amounts, unauthorized immigrants likely benefit from at least $0.9 billion in implicit federal subsidies due to the tax exemption for nonprofit hospitals and another $5.7 billion in tax expenditures from the employer tax exclusion." 

in other words, laws don't really matter, anyone with enough motivation can get around them. Maybe force is the only way, compassion only enables them. 

Laws COULD matter if we enforced them. But we haven't. Now to build a wall that costs so much and is a question mark as far as efficiency, why not just enforce our laws, tweak them, address the issue of what we're dealing with now, but be consistent and enforce.

Yes, the wall is dramatic, and expensive, but it almost sounds outrageous compared to enforcing laws?? Whyyyyyyy.......(insert Nancy Kerrigan wailing) 

LOL!!! 

Yes, the wall is dramatic, and expensive, but it almost sounds outrageous compared to enforcing laws??
Because the US has to start somewhere. 

They DO have places to start...our laws... They don't have to reinvent the wheel.

There must be some secret underworld of information that they keep from the public as to why they are so afraid to observe laws in this case? 

As a result of the 1982 SCOTUS decision states are required to provide education through k12 regardless of legal status. That includes meals. 

Is education not a worthwhile expense?

What percentage of these kids become US citizens who work and pay taxes? At what percentage would you say it becomes a good investment? 

Is education not a worthwhile expense?

They should be immediately deported. 

There must be some secret underworld of information that they keep from the public as to why they are so afraid to observe laws in this case? 

It's out in the open. Always has been. People have been screaming about unregulated immigration for 100 years, or more. But it gets drowned out by the cacaphony of consumers wanting cheap prices. 

You socialists make me sick. You complain about finding a totally legal and sensible border wall, but we're and still are silent about Obama giving $150,000,000,000 to Iran. 

Dvaz, just cool it. If we make you sick, go somewhere else. 

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It's out in the open. Always has been. People have been screaming about unregulated immigration for 100 years, or more. But it gets drowned out by the cacaphony of consumers wanting cheap prices. "


I meant WHY the USA is afraid to actually enforce the existing laws and seems to avoid doing so like the plague. It's obvious to the people that they chose not to. It most likely a political move that they're afraid of looking like the bad guys. 

I wonder why the Border Patrol keeps asking for a wall if it doesn't work. Maybe they know something that the general public and the politicians don't know. 

I'm guessing that question was rhetorical? 

meant WHY the USA is afraid to actually enforce the existing laws and seems to avoid doing so like the plague. It's obvious to the people that they chose not to. It most likely a political move that they're afraid of looking like the bad guys. 

Democratic (socialist) politicians desperately need the illegals as a future voting block. If you can't see that, you are in denial. Certain republicans like the cheap labor requiring no benefits.

Corruption on both sides IMO. 

A future voting block?? You actually think illegals vote? Ever? That's a stretch. ..

Maybe it helps get the legal residents vote but not the illegals 

I checked around. According to pew research study, as of 2015, only 42% of LEGAL Hispanic immigrants even apply for citizenship. 

I'm surprised it's that high. 

If you read the whole study, they are pretty far behind other legal immigrants eligible for citizenship. I'll try and post it. But when asked why they don't apply, they cited lack of English skills, the fee and something else as to why. 

There shouldn't be a ballot in anything but English. i f you can't speak /read the language, you shouldn't be able to vote. It used to be that you had to take your citizenship test in English. Why did that change?? 

Here's the study:

Hispanic trends in immigration 

Sorry saggy, but that Pew research was about legal Mexican imigrants 

How is it the law hasn't changed, but all gov't tests are offered in other languages? How do you become a citizen if you don't speak/understand English? Pledge allegiance to the USA, but hang the Mexican flag? 

Yes I know that. I mentioned it bc Dvaz said the reason politicians don't push for enforcement of laws is bc they could be a voting block. Annnd my point is, was, even the majority of the legal ones who are eligible for citizenship, don't actually go through with it, only 42% do. So no illegals are gonna end up voting lol