Hi everyone, I am a trans male, I was born biologically with female sex organs, yes, however I always have emotionally felt that I was a man. I am seeking advice because I do not know which bathroom to use at my school, I look as though I were a male, and I feel most comfortable using the male bathroom. Which bathroom should I use if despite my female sex organs, I am for all intensive purposes a man.

Should I use the female bathroom that makes me uncomfortable, if no one will know my biological sex and it won't effect them? 

Wear a diaper. Spare us all. 

I am for all intensive purposes a man.


for all intents and purposes 

Wear a diaper. Spare us all.

Didn't know you frequented high school bathrooms (((((; 

Well, let me play along here.

It is April and you are just now asking what bathroom you should use? What have been doing all year? Holding your legs together? That's not healthy. 

This is a warning: no insults please. Next one will result in taking a trip to the cooler.

To the OP, we get trolled a lot on here so you can understand how some people assume things. That's no excuse to attack you, I hope a meaningful convo can happen. But I'm not holding my breath. :) 

HELLO!!!!!

IT AN OBVIOUS TROLL.

WAKE UPS.....

ONLY 2 POSTS AND BOTH ARE TROLLED 

When I was growing up we didn't have trans-gendered folk! Actually, we probably did and they just didn't say anything because they were afraid of the repercussions if they told anyone. Well, you are in a difficult situation. Is it possible -and it may not be so- for your classmates and teachers to speak in favor of the choice you prefer. And, the reason I am asking is because I heard about a man who became a women and was in the military and her co workers took up for her and she was allowed to use the female bathroom. What swayed command was that all the females were perfectly fine with her using the women's bathroom. They felt she was one of them. If this is an impossible feat; can you perhaps ask to use any non gender specific bathroom that is there; like maybe a staff bathroom? It is legal to change your gender if this would be something you feel would make life easier. If you are truly a trans person then I wish you luck; if you are just asking to see what reactions you get then you are being unfair to anyone that struggles with this issue. I can't pretend to understand this issue because I don't; but maybe I should just count myself lucky I don't have to. 

Both are trolled?? LOL 

Only two posts does not mean a person is trolling. I am a former teacher; students can reach out in haphazard ways and I would rather err on the side of providing emotional support than not. Young people can be in a very vulnerable place, unfortunately. So as a teacher who lost two students to suicide, as for me, I am not worried about being fooled. My ego can take it; but will I rise to the occasion and care? Yes, I will. 

I think haterbaiter might be Soup. I iced him and he's going ballistic in there, lol. I honestly did not see the first thread post. And I thought his comments were uncalled for and rude. if this person is trolling, at least HE wasn't nasty and mean. 

Yup. It's soup. 

it's kind of cool you guys all know each other so well :) :)

I just don't post enough to tell anyone by their tone...well, maybe urabunchcats and tinkthesprite :) 

I didn't take the OP seriously because his posts do sound like they are trolling but if I am wrong, I am sorry. It is a serious topic that causes a lot of anguish for many.

I actually grew up with a transgender but this was back a long time ago when I don't even know if there was such a term.

He dressed as a female from elementary school through high school, wore makeup and wore his hair highlighted and poofed up(not long hair because male students had to keep hair short back then,but apparently there wasn't a rule about makeup,lol).

He also shortened his name to a feminine version of his real name.

However, he did not go into the girl's restroom and he took PE class with the guys.

Because we all had known him since kindergarten, to be honest we just accepted this was how he was. He liked to hang out with us girls,sit with us in the cafeteria, and gossip with us at our lockers. He was just one of the girls to us but of course, we knew he was physically male.

I don't recall him being teased or bullied (which now that I look back on it is fairly remarkable given the times). Again, I guess we accepted him because we had known him so long and also he was just an all-around nice person. He didn't discuss his gender issues,or even request different treatment-- he was just who he was.

I do wonder what happened to him since his family moved before we all graduated. I hope he had a happy life. 

Ask your school counselor. Asking here, a bunch of strangers probably not a great idea.
Just my opinion here; you're a female, no doctoring, psychology or political agenda is going to change that. If you use the men's you'll upset the right, if you use the women's you'll upset the left. 

I am for all intensive purposes a man.


Was your DNA changed? 

Was your DNA changed??
The chromosomes responsible for sex contain DNA but really DNA is not responsible for sex. What you've said displays your lack of education regarding not only biology but also your ignorance of the phycology behind identity and gender. I'm no phychologicst or expert of biology however think before you post, think, does this really represent me well, does this represent my community as a place of tolerance? Or rather a community full of reactionary, insensitive, and down right ignorant, bored people with nothing better to do than belittle the legitimacy of not only how one perceives them self, but also the cultural shift towards the acceptance regarding transgender people.

No, of course I am not transgender, I want to provoke conversation in "the heart and soul" of our community. I hope you can see how this was not meant to be a troll post, no matter how disingenuous it is, but rather a starting point for some kind of meaningful conversation. 

And, how do you judge us so far? 

And why do you say, "No, of course I am not transgender". just curious 

And why do you say, "No, of course I am not transgender". just curious?
Because of the speculation around whether or not it's a troll post, I only made 2 post both of which are very "baity" in nature.
I am pleasantly surprised at how accepting people have been, but I encourage debate so that we can try to further the ideas we have about issues of which we likely have limited real license expires each too. 

The chromosomes responsible for sex contain DNA but really DNA is not responsible for sex. What you've said displays your lack of education regarding not only biology but also your ignorance of the phycology behind identity and gender. I'm no phychologicst or expert of biology however think before you post, think, does this really represent me well, does this represent my community as a place of tolerance? Or rather a community full of reactionary, insensitive, and down right ignorant, bored people with nothing better to do than belittle the legitimacy of not only how one perceives them self, but also the cultural shift towards the acceptance regarding transgender people.



And you have the nerve to be condescending and judgmental of others being judgmental?

Really, EVERYONE judges others in some sort of subjective way, even, or maybe even especially, you. Faux political correctness is not the norm, no matter how hard you have tried to push it on everyone else.

It's very hypocritical of you to judge others while criticizing them for being judgmental. Why do you think you are any better or more intelligent than anyone else simply because your boundaries of comfort are supposedly in a different place than where you perceive others to be? 

Why do you think you are any better or more intelligent than anyone else simply because your boundaries of comfort are supposedly in a different place than where you perceive others to be??
I thought you said something very interesting here and that attention should be called to it. Though I respect people's differences because I can't feel what they feel; I am also strongly in favor of respect for others in public settings. For example; I do not believe young people should use the f word left and right in mixed company because they are making others - usually an older generation member or a mother with children-feel degraded and powerless in what is supposed to be a public setting; say a restaurant or library. Also, I believe people should refrain from kissing and groping in public settings to avoid offending others. While I believe young people's differences should be acknowledged I find they don't have a lot of solid ground to stand on when they are being so disrespectful to others in general population areas.

Well, anyway, I thought you made an excellent point about "boundaries of comfort" and I just wanted to respond to that. 

And you have the nerve to be condescending and judgmental of others being judgmental?
Here you admit you are being judgmental. Why should you be judgemental of something that really does not effect you.
Faux political correctness is not the norm
I am not politically correct, I do not believe in being so called "politically correct" you falsely assume because I encourage everyone to be less judgemental and more accepting of -in this case- trans people, that I am also a "social justice warrior"
False. All I'm doing is sharing with you how I feel. If you feel
It's very hypocritical of you to judge others while criticizing them for being judgmental.
No it's not, this is a fallacy. I am NOT judging you for not being accepting of others. I am judging you because you specifically were trying to belittle people who are transgender.
Why do you think you are any better or more intelligent than anyone else
Good question.
because your boundaries of comfort are supposedly in a different place that where you perceive others to be??
You have answered your own question.
Before you attack me for making this joke, think about it. I am seriously calling your intelligence into question based of a simple Internet typo? 

This boutique social engineering BS and smarmy virtue signaling is exactly why Donald Trump is sitting in the white house. 

No it's not, this is a fallacy. I am NOT judging you for not being accepting of others. I am judging you because you specifically were trying to belittle people who are transgender.

There is so much wrong with what you just typed that I have no urge to even try to dissect your foolishness. But just one thing would be that I haven't said ANYTHING about transgenders. That is the end of my participation in your little social experiment, enjoy! 

This boutique social engineering BS and smarmy virtue signaling is exactly why Donald Trump is sitting in the white house.?
Explain this please. Donald Trump is in the White House due to the electoral college voting him in. He did not win the popular vote so if you mean people voted for him because they were tired of "boutique social engineering BS" is simply not true most people didn't vote for him. If you're saying the electoral college voters were fed up with it, I mean maybe? I guess? 

I'm no phychologicst or expert of biology

That's obvious. 

The chromosomes responsible for sex contain DNA but really DNA is not responsible for sex. What you've said displays your lack of education regarding not only biology but also your ignorance of the phycology behind identity and gender.

It appears to be you that doesn't understand. You should read the works of Stanfords genetics researchers. 

It appears to be you that doesn't understand. You should read the works of Stanfords genetics researchers.?
Sure thing, what study? And to be clear you know genetics is very different from gender right? Gender is XX or XY chromosome pairs, genetics is how traits are passed on to offspring. 

You have to pee outside. That's what the law states. 

You have to pee outside. That's what the law states.?
Hahahahahahahahaha! You should write for SNL. 

lol 

I was told by a transgender student - and keep in mind I don't know the trials of a transgender person and I don't pretend to- that it is hard to wait for that day they can start taking hormones to become who they have always felt they were. But to me having seen the tumult of the teen years in general; I would hope they would wait until they were through those years before making any decisions about hormones and/or surgery. Do you have an opinion on that? 

If you're saying the electoral college voters were fed up with it, I mean maybe? I guess?

That's exactly what I'm saying. The so called "blue wall" that was comprised of every day middle America folks whose jobs are now gone ditched the democrats when their party put more emphasis on political correctness and social engineering than on job creation and tax breaks. Trump told them what they wanted to hear. Unemployed assembly line workers and coal miners don't care about your gender confusion. They care about a paycheck and keeping the lights on. 

Do you have an opinion on that??
I believe some people think that changing their gender will solve some other problems they have, and maybe for some it is the right solution. For others however it may not fix or put out rest some of the issues their dealing with. 

Nothing destorys my self confidence like a gif 

How about spelling? 

Got me on that one, I don't know exactly what any of your comments have to do with transgender people, they aren't intended to be amusing or anything either... at a loss for why you're here but never the less, if you'd like to raise a point and want to talk I'd like to! 

The point is....get a shrink to deal with your issues before you get something irreversible done.



Troll on.