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RayofHope --- 267 days ago -

I listened to NPR and most of mainstream media condemn Trump for backing out of the Paris agreement yesterday. The main reason I listened was to find out Trump's reasoning for backing out, but none of the media would tell the American public.

These are the facts you will not hear from CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, or NPR::

1) The accord expects the United States to fund pollution cutbacks for the world (I.E., we give the world money in exchange for cutting pollution).

2) Though the United States is expected to give these countries money, these countries are not required to stop polluting. In fact, the Paris agreement allows China and India to increase their polluting.

Why would anyone want to go along with something like this?

Paris Accord Explained 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 267 days ago -

Yes, it was a horrible deal for the U.S. 

urabunchcats --- 267 days ago -

Ray "Why would anyone want to go along with something like this?"

Because they are emotionally invested and completely ignorant.

THE DEAL HAS TO BE FAIR TO THE U.S.

or no deal.

GO TRUMP!

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Emperor of Kingwood --- 267 days ago -

If you are heavily invested in Chinese, Mexican or Indian manufacturing (Walmart), then its a great deal because it cripples American manufacturing thus eliminating the competition. 

RayofHope --- 267 days ago -

they are emotionally invested and completely ignorant.

THE DEAL HAS TO BE FAIR TO THE U.S.


Good points. I'm not necessarily opposed to a deal cutting greenhouse gasses, but the Paris deal is horrible.

By the way, I listened to NPR this morning and was surprised they (finally) allowed a Virginia Senator to explain why he is opposed to the deal.

As you would expect, the NPR interviewer tried to poke holes in his argument. But, the Paris agreement (when exposed to the light) is not defensible. It's bad news to the American public that the Obama administration would not explain.

A lot of people (mainly Democrats) are gritting their teeth, but Trump seems to be coming through and showing leadership. 

RayofHope --- 267 days ago -

If you are heavily invested in Chinese, Mexican or Indian manufacturing (Walmart), then its a great deal because it cripples American manufacturing thus eliminating the competition.?

Another true statement that has never been explained. The deal is a penalty for U.S. success in the world.

The Paris deal is kinda like giving a scholarship to the guy finishing last in the graduating class (Who never did homework or never studied), instead of the valedictorian. 

Dorothy Parker --- 267 days ago -

Why would all 1st world nations and the media be against Trump if he was right? What would they have to gain? And to say coal mining will be a growing industry as a defense?? Is he bringing back the gold and silver rush as well? How about the use of asbestos?

You folks will literally defend everything Trump says and does no matter what. It's insanity. 

tinnman --- 267 days ago -

Why would all 1st world nations and the media be against Trump if he was right? What would they have to gain? And to say coal mining will be a growing industry as a defense?? Is he bringing back the gold and silver rush as well? How about the use of asbestos?

You folks will literally defend everything Trump says and does no matter what. It's insanity.



See point number one in the OP's thread to answer your question. And, more importantly, it's not about what the other nation's have to gain, it's about what they have lost. That's why there are so many tantrums being thrown.

Is the fact that the previous administration orchestrated this deal the reason the media is so opposed to Trump's decision to suspend it?

Obama unilaterally entered the country into this agreement without congressional approval or oversight. No debate, no transparent exchange of opinions or views, no room for discussion. No Democracy.

So, when Trump wields the same sword that Obama did, why is that such a bad thing?

If Obama was elected, and felt empowered, to make such decisions, then so was Trump.

What's cracking me up is that the Democrats are feeling the same sting from the same backhand wielded to the Republican Party for the last eight years.

I believe the proper saying is, "Ain't Karma a biotch"? 

whatchamacallit --- 267 days ago -

What's cracking me up is that the Democrats are feeling the same sting from the same backhand wielded to the Republican Party for the last eight years.

I believe the proper saying is, "Ain't Karma a biotch"??



This!^ 

AMDG --- 267 days ago -

The accord expects the United States to fund pollution cutbacks for the world (I.E., we give the world money in exchange for cutting pollution).

Is this the Green Climate Fund Contribution ??? 

Butterbean --- 267 days ago -

Here's an NPR article about the Paris accord:


Paris accord overview


Seems to me that the impetus is toward acknowledging that industrial activities are raising the environmental temperature at an ever increasing rate. The accord is a declaration and agreement to move toward more environmentally friendly methods of improving the quality of life for all of earth's inhabitants.

By extension, industrial methods and processes will change. Who is going to be the beneficiary on the leading edge of that change?

IMO that could be the USA. Moving out of the accord removes us from a central player position in the future of that impulse.

The accord makes economic sense. It makes environmental sense. 

Prolix Raconteur --- 267 days ago -

Wealth redistribution scheme orchestrated by global elites. 

AMDG --- 267 days ago -

do any of you folks really think that any money not spent on this will go into you pocket ???

Not to be too much of a cynic - but I've heard stories about tax breaks, and money savings for a lot of years out of a lot of administrations - what i haven't seen is any kind of real tax savings.

what most of it winds up as is "it would have been worse if . . . " or some "trickle down", but "indirectly" story

Again not to be too much of a cynic - but if you think this, or savings from food stamps, or pick your spending issue is going to put any money directly in your pocket - i have no memory of any empirical data to support that. 

tinnman --- 267 days ago -

Like the Paris Accords, The United Nations was supposed to be a great thing for the world's industrialized nations also.

How'd that work out?

Well podnah...let me tell you. On UN day last year, the main stream media (Time Magazine) published an article extolling the five major accomplishments achieved by the United Nations during it's 71 years of being in existence.

Here they are:

1. Saving the Pyramids
2. Eradicating Small Pox
3. Protecting the Ozone via the Montreal Protocol
4. UNICEF
5. Promoting arms control

Saving the Pyramids? Really? That's a landmark accomplishment?

I see two items on that list that I would consider huge accomplishments. Forget the fact that one of them happened over 30 years ago and the other happened the year after the UN was founded.

Nowhere does the list of accomplishments include ending any of the world wide conflicts that have erupted since the UN's inception. In my book, that should be it's sole focus.

Why have they failed miserably?

Because there is absolutely no way to gain consensus from a diverse group of peoples and nations. What makes anyone think that all 196 nations that participated in the Paris Accords were going to hold up their end of the deal much less live up to their financial obligations?

In reality, the amount of polluting that the US does compared to the other industrialized nations is small by comparison. Yet, our financial contribution was out of line and not commensurate with our level of polluting.

All I am saying is this. If the Paris Accords is such a good thing, then I say lets let everyone else keep going and if it is successful (and I truly hope it is), then we can jump in, pay our owed obligations and move forward.

I have a favorite saying. Don't tell me, show me. 

Prolix Raconteur --- 267 days ago -

Yet, our financial contribution was out of line and not commensurate with our level of polluting.

Like I said, global wealth redistribution scheme orchestrated by global elitists. Obama happily played into it considering his stance of anti-US exceptionalism. 

RayofHope --- 267 days ago -

Like I said, global wealth redistribution scheme orchestrated by global elitists.


That is the underlying reality that most people will not face. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 267 days ago -

Notice how none of the KU liberals can coherently put together a defense for the Paris Agreement other than the sky is falling. 

RayofHope --- 267 days ago -

Notice how none of the KU liberals can coherently put together a defense for the Paris Agreement other than the sky is falling.?

That is the reason the media will not provide details of the Paris agreement.

Watch the news today and you will hear the media talk about the seriousness of global warming, but they won't talk about the reasons Trump backed out of the Paris deal.

The deal is not defensible. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 267 days ago -

That is the reason the media will not provide details of the Paris agreement

Precisely.

It's all "doom and gloom" from the left.

I'm not sure any of them truly know the details of the agreement.

They're only parroting the "sky is now falling" narrative from the liberal media. 

Hiro Protagonist --- 267 days ago -

Notice how none of the KU liberals can coherently put together a defense for the Paris Agreement other than the sky is falling.?


I guess you didn't see this.


Seems to me that the impetus is toward acknowledging that industrial activities are raising the environmental temperature at an ever increasing rate. The accord is a declaration and agreement to move toward more environmentally friendly methods of improving the quality of life for all of earth's inhabitants.[

By extension, industrial methods and processes will change. Who is going to be the beneficiary on the leading edge of that change?

IMO that could be the USA. Moving out of the accord removes us from a central player position in the future of that impulse.


Renewable energy is an exploding industry that already provides more jobs in California than the coal industry provides in the country. Do we want to be leaders in this growing sector, or do we want to fall behind? 

RayofHope --- 267 days ago -

Renewable energy is an exploding industry that already provides more jobs in California than the coal industry provides in the country. Do we want to be leaders in this growing sector, or do we want to fall behind??

What does this have to do with the topic?

You are talking about remedies for global warming.

The Paris agreement does not address global warming. It merely mandates that we give money to other countries without any requirement they reduce global warming. In fact, the Paris Agreement has provisions allowing China and India to increase their contribution to global warming.

Your post is exactly what the media have been doing, trying to keep the public confused over the issue. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 267 days ago -

Renewable energy is an exploding industry that already provides more jobs in California than the coal industry provides in the country.

How'd that Solyndra thing work out? 

Hiro Protagonist --- 267 days ago -

What does this have to do with the topic?



Because the agreement moves countries away from fossil fuels and this encourages business to explore renewable energy. If the U.S. bails out of the agreement U.S. renewable energy businesses will fall behind the rest of the world. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 267 days ago -

If the U.S. bails out of the agreement U.S. renewable energy businesses will fall behind the rest of the world.

I seriously doubt that.

Pulling out of this agreement doesn't mean the renewable energy sector in the US is going to just disappear. 

BuiltinTX70 --- 267 days ago -

I think the biggest part of this, whether you are for or against the pact, is that it was put in thru executive order.

So, Dems can't get mad when it's thrown out the same way........ 

RayofHope --- 267 days ago -

Pulling out of this agreement doesn't mean the renewable energy sector in the US is going to just disappear.?

It's amazing the media are pushing that message. The media seem to be disconnected from reality. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 267 days ago -

It's the ultimate of fear mongering.

Scare the fragile liberal snowflakes. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 267 days ago -

Renewable energy is an exploding industry that already provides more jobs in California than the coal industry provides in the country.

BS. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 267 days ago -

Renewable energy is an exploding industry that already provides more jobs in California than the coal industry provides in the country.

There's not one single alternative energy source that can compete with oil and natural gas for the cost per BTU/BOE. 

wayward1 --- 267 days ago -

Natural gas is relatively clean too. That's why it is killing coal. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 267 days ago -

Natural gas is relatively clean too.

But not nearly as cheap to produce and transport. 

wayward1 --- 267 days ago -

Fracking has been good to natural gas. It's the rock star fuel right now.

Pun definitely intended. 

Butterbean --- 267 days ago -

Interesting view from these coal miners:


Coal miners speak
 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 267 days ago -

Liberals are freaking out that the end of the world is near. Now that the US has pulled out of the Paris Agreement.

Don't worry. You guys still have 189 other countries to carry on with the agreement.

If the US leaving the agreement means it's the end of the world as we know it. Then this agreement was flawed from the get go. 

Karras --- 267 days ago -

So the world, mostly the US, is going to spend hundreds of billions of dollars, losing millions of jobs, and for this there would be no measurable difference in temperature?

Why is a 2 degree variance a problem anyway. Has the earth always stayed at a constant temp? 

urabunchcats --- 267 days ago -

All Trump wants is fairness and equity. Trump provided clear reasons for withdrawal and renegotiation.

Obama delivered a terrible deal for America, as he also did with the Iranian one.

A strong America is to everyone's benefit. 

RayofHope --- 266 days ago -

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