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RIP John McCain

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Butterbean --- 6 years ago -

Yup. 

I_won't_tell --- 6 years ago -

He was a great man.

May GOD bless him and his family. 

fuzz81 --- 6 years ago -

RIP McCain.

Obama will deliver an amazing eulogy at his funeral. 

Not KU --- 6 years ago -

He was truly a class act. 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 6 years ago -

I was so sad to hear that he died. He was truly an honorable man, and he lived and died with grace. 

Not KU --- 6 years ago -

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The Maverick's last buck 

kingwood17 --- 6 years ago -

The flag pin lapel wearing, anti-kneeling, "patriotic" trump supporters are gleefully cheering McCain's death.

Imagine that. 

Jepperd --- 6 years ago -

Statement from AMVETS "It?s outrageous that the White House would mark American hero John McCain?s death with a two-sentence tweet, making no mention of his heroic and inspiring life,? Joe Chenelly, AMVETS national executive director, said in a statement.

?By lowering flags for not one second more than the bare minimum required by law, despite a long-standing tradition of lowering flags until the funeral, the White House is openly showcasing its blatant disrespect for Senator McCain?s many decades of service and sacrifice to our country as well as the service of all his fellow veterans.?
 

Jepperd --- 6 years ago -

Trump He's a war hero because he was captured, I like people that weren't captured. 

voice of reason --- 6 years ago -

does faux news have the nerve to condemn trump like the cultists are? i suppose that is where the cult are getting their false facts from in the first place. 

kingwood17 --- 6 years ago -

Looks like Lady Marmalade caved, as the flag is back at half-mast.

When just asked by reporters to reflect on McCain, the man child sat in silence.

He and anyone supports this buffoon is a disgrace to this country. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 6 years ago -

The flag pin lapel wearing, anti-kneeling, "patriotic" trump supporters are gleefully cheering McCain's death.

No they're not. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 6 years ago -

LOL.......... the KU liberals got suckered by fake news again. Especially Simple Jack.

John McCain Family Sources Dispute Reports He Asked Not to Have Donald Trump at Funeral 

fuzz81 --- 6 years ago -

A second family source adds: ?I didn?t hear John say it. But I wouldn?t be surprised if John didn?t want Trump there.? 

Not KU --- 6 years ago -

A second family source = Fake News
check mate souploops 

sdanielmcev --- 6 years ago -

check mate souploops?
Maybe you can't read, welcher. The quote is "I didn't hear it," You lose again, just like you betting against me. Pay up little man. 

sdanielmcev --- 6 years ago -

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/08/27/john-mccains-2008-meetings-with-a-russian-oligarch/amp/

Interesting read 

OrdinaryGuy --- 6 years ago -

Soup....you have to understand that the left will always grasp anything that sounds bad for the President, even if it isn't true. They are so blinded by their hatred of the President they can't see anything but that. 

Not KU --- 6 years ago -

sdanielmcev --- 13 hours ago - quote - hide comments

check mate souploops?
Maybe you can't read, welcher


LOL bestie...can I call you bestie? Great!
Maybe your lack of comprehension needs a little sharpening...My comment was directed at KU's #1 pointless poster.. Do you know who that is? Its not you. 

DVaz --- 6 years ago -

That traitor can burn in Hell! 

jackass --- 6 years ago -

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Not KU --- 6 years ago -

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DVaz --- 6 years ago -

And then your salty tears flow so heavily when an NFL player kneels because THE VETERANZ!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, I actually don't give a sh*t if an NFL player kneels. You need to quit assuming you know everyone. McCain's fellow POW's call him a traitor. Maybe believe them instead of MSM propaganda. 

Not KU --- 6 years ago -

McCain's fellow POW's call him a traitor.

Don't be a DVazhole. lol 

DVaz --- 6 years ago -

You honestly telling me you haven't seen this in all these years?

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/02/17/in-1992-pows-accused-mccain-of-collaborating-with-vietnamese/

Vietnam POW Activists Called McCain ?Songbird? and ?Manchurian Candidate?
JON PONDER


Among groups who oppose John McCain, the most serious charges come from a small but fervent cadre of Vietnam POW/MIA activists who accuse him of being a collaborator during his time in the Vietnamese POW camps.

They call McCain ?Songbird,? and say he received special treatment. Some in the POW community even believe he was brainwashed like Raymond Shaw, the character played by Laurence Harvey in ?The Manchurian candidate,? who was used as a tool by the communists to destroy America from within.

Activists accused McCain of stonewalling the release of POW records because they contained evidence he had collaborated with the North Vietnamese.
The issue boiled over in 1992 after POW families and activists felt they had been mistreated by McCain during hearings before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. In the video above (posted at Vietnam Veterans against McCain) which was apparently shot soon after the hearings, POW advocates and experts, as well as Republican politicians, including then-Rep. Bob Dornan of California, assert that McCain was stonewalling the release of POW documents because his own records included transcripts of interviews he gave to communist and other media outlets in which he said the U.S. military had deliberately bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam.

Members of the committee included Vietnam veterans among the senators ? Chairman John Kerry (D-Mass), Vice Chairman Bob Smith (R-NH), Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.), McCain and others. (The only Vietnam vet who opted out was Sen. Al Gore.) The committee had two objectives. One was to investigate persistent rumors that Vietnam was still holding U.S. servicemen as prisoners. The second goal was to create a plan for normalizing relations between the United States and Vietnam.

McCain and other committee members traveled to Vietnam on fact-finding missions. Witnesses who appeared at committee hearings included Nixon era defense secretaries Melvin Laird and James Schlesinger and Nixon Sec. of State Henry Kissinger, among many others. In the end, no evidence was found that Americans were being held in Vietnam, and relations between the two countries were normalized.

Rough transcript of the video follows:


1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAs, Part 2: The McCain Factor
DR. JOSEPH DOUGLASS JR, author, ?Betrayed: America?s Missing POWs?: Sen. McCain seemed to be one of those who was an obstructionist. He was not interested in the truth coming out. Who tried to attack people rather than learn what they had to say.

TRACY USRY, fmr Chief Investigator, U.S. Senate Minority Staff: No instance would he ever, ever give in and say there were POWs left behind. And my first question is, how would he know? Or not know? Just ? that which is reasonable he never exhibited. And I don?t know why. Maybe it?s a guilt complex. [Edit.] Maybe he promised the Vietnamese something. Okay. I don?t know what it is. Maybe he actually believes that [no POWs were left behind]. That would be the saddest of all.

DELORES APODACA ALFOND, Chairperson, National Alliance of Families: I mean he was yelling and screaming at me and had me in tears!

USRY: Oh, to everybody. He was very rude to me on several occasions.

DR. DOUGLASS: He probably did more harm to the idea of trying to get the truth out than any other single person through the efforts he did to block the release of classified intelligence dealing with the POW/MIA problem.

LYNN O?SHEA, Dir. of Research, National Alliance of Families: McCain stepped in and in effect made it harder to get documentation. [Edit.] That certainly hurt us because we had hoped for a massive release of documentation.

SEN. BOB SMITH (R-NH): Many, many documents were held back for no reason. And our goal on the committee was to just dump this stuff, to declassify it, literally, to the public. But of course, you know, they withheld information from the committee. The U.S. government held all sort of information from the committee, withheld information from the committee. I know that for a fact.

AL SANTOLI, American Foreign Policy Council, fmr Congressional Chief of Staff: Even POWs who wanted to see their own debriefings were not permitted because of the McCain regulation.

Former Rep. BOB DORNAN (R-Calif.): But where did McCain get compliments for doing this? The bureaucrats at the Pentagon! Because it put a workload on them! It put a workload on them from missing-in-action people. And did we need that bill to handle a Scott Spiker [phonetic] case? Oh, you bet we did!

SANTOLI: And also what it did, and this is what he really opposed. And if you remember the contentiousness we got into with him in his office was that it would hold the bureaucrats accountable by penalty of law?

REP. DORNAN: That?s right.

SANTOLI: If they lied, or if they withheld information?

REP. DORNAN: That?s right.

SANTOLI: And he fought tooth and nail to protect those bureaucrats.

REP. DORNAN: Yes!

SANTOLI: Because they were protecting him.

SEN. SMITH: I could never understand that. Why would we ? if someone was guilty of withholding information that would help us to solve the mystery of what happened to an MIA, and did it deliberately, why would we not want to prosecute that person? So I could never understand it. I thought the language was written ? I know Bob Dornan had a hand in it. I thought the language was written very well. I supported it. Fought for it hard in the U.S. Senate. And mostly on the Armed Services Committee where we debated it, but it was watered down to where it was almost worthless.

3:09

SANTOLI: Now one of the things that happened with that bill was that we were submarined. On the House side, we passed with no ? I don?t believe anybody opposed it. It was a pretty much unanimous vote.

REP. DORNAN: Four hundred and one to zero on the House, with every single Republican who is serving sponsoring it, and about a third of the Democrats.

SANTOLI: But on the Senate side, we had one person standing in the way of getting in positions that would have been very tough on government bureaucrats who didn?t tell the truth. And that one person was Sen. John McCain.

Cpl. BOB DUMAS, U.S. Army (Ret.): He didn?t want nobody to check his background because a lot of the POWs that was in the camps said he was a collaborator of the enemy. He gave the enemy the information they wanted.

Dr. JAMES LUCIER, former U.S. Senate Chief of Staff: But We do know that when he was there [in the Vietnamese prison], he cooperated with the communist news services in giving interviews there, ah, not flattering to the United States.

USRY: Information shows that he made over 32 tapes of propaganda for the Vietnamese government. Certainly, you do what you need to do to stay alive. Nobody would fault anybody for that. But there comes a point in time when enough is enough.

REP: DORNAN: They made those transcriptions, and in the transcriptions, I heard a POW who heard them comin? into his cell and said, ?Oh, my God, is that Admiral McCain?s son? Is that the admiral?s son? Is that Johnny ? telling us that our principal targets are schools, orphanages, hospitals, temples, churches?? That was Jane Fonda?s line. Where are those transcriptions? Believe me ? they?re in the archives of the museum, the bragging military phony museum in Hanoi. McCain could not have wanted those [to] turn up in the middle of a presidential race. He knows that. I know that, and a few other people know that, and that?s why he went against Bob Dole?s legislation.

DUMAS: And he didn?t want nobody looking into his background in that camp, what went on in that camp. That stuff is still classified so nobody can see it. And he just had it classified forever, so nobody?ll ever look at it.

LUCIER: That he was given special treatment and was put in a room with two other defectors who were later given special treatment. Although I will say to his credit he refused to be repatriated as a result.

REP: DORNAN: This sounds so good at first. McCain was offered the chance to come home. They called him the ?Prince.? And he could have. But nobody ever takes that one step beyond that. If John ? Admiral John McCain II ? ?Junior? ? if his son, a lieutenant senior grade, had accepted this princely status and come home in 1967 while the others would sit there for five years, what would the Navy have done, with the son of an admiral who opted to get special treatment and come home? No Navy career. No House seat. No Senate seat. It would have been the end of his career. [Edit.] And they were offering him this chance to go home in one of three groups that came home in ?68.

SANTOLI: They were all collaborators.

REP. DORNAN: And McCain called them this ? except for Bill Kagill [phonetic] ? the ?slipperies,? the ?slimies? and the ?sleazies.? I once forgot one of those names ? and he refreshed my memory. The slipperies, the slimies and the sleazies. So that meant that he would have become a slimy, a sleazy and a slippery, ruining his career and the admiral?s son goes home. What I?m saying is, yes ? he chose to stay. But did he have an alternative if he ever wanted to have a life? And what would it have done to his father?

DOUGLASS: And his activities were sufficiently consistent and widespread in opposing efforts to learn the truth that he was written up in a number of articles as a Manchurian candidate in this issue.

REP. DORNAN: In Hanoi, he saw McCain turn red in the face. He even used the term ?Rumblestiltskin? [sic], jumping up and down in place in a rage: ?If you release any of these records that you have here in Hanoi on me or the other POWs, you will NEVER get diplomatic recognition.?

USRY: McCain may have been an expert on being a prisoner of war but he was by no means an expert on the POW issue. 

sdanielmcev --- 6 years ago -

LOL bestie...can I call you bestie? Great!
Maybe your lack of comprehension needs a little sharpening...My comment was directed at KU's #1 pointless poster.. Do you know who that is? Its not you.


You can call my bank and put in the $10000 you owe me.
And I don't care if you were talking to me or not, weasel. This is a forum where anybody can post to other's post. That is called reading comprehension. Savvy? 

DVaz --- 6 years ago -

Snopes is a joke. I guess you didn't see the documentary where the people who run it say most of what they "prove" isn't proof at all. 

Not KU --- 6 years ago -

sdanielmcev --- 12 min ago - quote - hide comments

LOL bestie...can I call you bestie? Great!


You can call my bank and put in the $10000 you owe me
jajajaja. Ju crackin me up 

DVaz --- 6 years ago -

Facepalm

Go watch it on YouTube. I'm sure someone has put it up there. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 6 years ago -

I missed you JAMS. Any plans on self obliterating........... again? 

Prolix Raconteur --- 6 years ago -

It will surely be a GLORIOUS flame out when it does happen. 

SoupIsGoodFood --- 6 years ago -

It always is. 

Saturn --- 6 years ago -

Fair Winds And Following Seas, Shipmate. 

TinktheSprite --- 6 years ago -

But his Daughter Megan's eulogy...Wow what a tribute. 

Saturn --- 6 years ago -

But his Daughter Megan's eulogy...Wow what a tribute

Yes it was and it came from her heart. 

Not KU --- 6 years ago -

Late Sen McCain's motorcade is on its way to his final resting place, Annapolis,MD.
Wheres Trump? I know where he isnt. 

Saturn --- 6 years ago -

Wheres Trump

The sorry SOB spent the day golfing. 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 6 years ago -

The sorry SOB spent the day golfing.

What was he supposed to do? 

Emperor of Kingwood --- 6 years ago -

But his Daughter Megan's eulogy...Wow what a tribute.

You have to wonder if a eulogy is the appropriate place to take swipes at the POTUS 

AwesomeTattooedDragon --- 6 years ago -

I don't think his daughter was thinking about being appropriate. Her grief was so palpable I was crying, and I seldom cry. 

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