Obamacare: 55ish
Republicans: 0 

Who cares...I say ...let Obamacare die. The democrats own it...so they will pay when there are no companies in any of the exchanges and everyone has to pay a penalty for not having insurance. 

Good old fuzzy...always pointing out the worst that goes on. The democrats are going to suffer next year. You watch and see. 

No JW, we the people will pay the price.

Why am I not surprised that would please you? You don't care about this country and you don't care about the people in it. You put party before country. But the thing is that Americans now clearly see how the GOP refuse to work on fixing Obamacare for 8 years. 

The best thing to do is let ACA die. The they will have no choice but to start over and the dems and their press with have nothing else to say. 

In walks another name-stealing alt who puts party before country. 

witchywoman --- 50 min ago - quote - hide comments
No JW, we the people will pay the price.

Why am I not surprised that would please you? You don't care about this country and you don't care about the people in it. You put party before country. But the thing is that Americans now clearly see how the GOP refuse to work on fixing Obamacare for 8 y

You should watch what you say. I am a wounded veteran. I fought for this country. I'm entitled to my opinion. The democrats have fought everything that the Pres has tried to do. Not because it was right or wrong only because it was Pres Trump trying to do it.

Since they fought the healthcare bill then lets let them suffer the consequences of what they did. Yes, the American people will suffer but when they blame someone it will be the democrats. You do remember that not one Republican voted for Obamacare and it was the democrats that forced it on us because it was such a good bill. They made their choice and the American people will make theirs in 2018. 

In walks another name-stealing alt who puts party before country.?



Oh Im not putting any party before country. The ACA was a fail for Americans and the country. Since neither party has done anything to fix it the best thing for the country is for it to finally go away so we can start over. 

Oh Im not putting any party before country. The ACA was a fail for Americans and the country. Since neither party has done anything to fix it the best thing for the country is for it to finally go away so we can start over.?

How right you are! Then the democrats will have to work on one. 

Good riddance to bad rubbish. 

The democrats have fought everything that the Pres has tried to do

In regard to the Sen health care bill - that is a completely false statement. They have not had one bit of input on it yet - been a completely GOP discussion.

And I am very proud of the republican party that they did care enough about the welfare of the american people not to ram trough bad legislation just for the sake of doing it - BZ to them 

The guy not in office cannot be blamed for current legislative failure.

Maybe a little compromise and working with the folks across the aisle(gasp) might bring about a decent healthcare system that would fit both parties.

That would put America first. 

I'm glad it failed in the Senate. It was garbage. The only thing that should've been considered was total and complete repeal along with its associated tax increase. 

decent healthcare system

Is one where able bodied people pay their own bills. 

Maybe a little compromise and working with the folks across the aisle(gasp) might bring about a decent healthcare system that would fit both parties.

The democrats said they would not work with the President on anything. It's hard to work with someone who won't work with you. 

Is one where able bodied people pay their own bills.

And all Americans can count on adequate healthcare - regardless of their means. 

decent healthcare system

Is one where able bodied people pay their own bills

Now that's ironic. 

And all Americans can count on adequate healthcare - regardless of their means.?

Who will pay for that? You? 

And all Americans can count on adequate healthcare - regardless of their means.

Free health care isn't a right. 

Who will pay for that? You??

It's already paid for. Look at how much money is spent per capita on healthcare. Compare that to more civilized nations which provide healthcare as a right. 

Free health care isn't a right.

Who will pay for that? You?

We will, and should - I don't want to believe I live in an america where we turn away the poor from health care.

Do you ?? 

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Who will pay for that? You??

It's already paid for. Look at how much money is spent per capita on healthcare. Compare that to more civilized nations which provide healthcare as a right.

Not really. Obamacare is dead. It just needs to be buried. Remember the democrats own it and when it dies next year, they will be blamed. Notice they never came up with a plan themselves they just sat back and criticized every one else's plan. 

Obamacare: 55ish +
Republicans: 0

Those republicans sure know how to talk up repeal and replace. 

What? I'm talking about your taxes. Ignoring Obamacare, the federal taxes spent on healthcare per capita exceed that of countries which provide healthcare.

This is a fact, go Google it. 

Not really. Obamacare is dead. It just needs to be buried. Remember the democrats own it and when it dies next year, they will be blamed. Notice they never came up with a plan themselves they just sat back and criticized every one else's plan.

I think Republicans, who control the White House, Senate, and House of Reps will be blamed for this mess.

Because, not only have they promised a repeal for seven years, but butchered any replacement. And the President, for all his hype of being this great negotiator, did ZERO. 

I think Republicans, who control the White House, Senate, and House of Reps will be blamed for this mess.

How can they be blamed for the mess ACA has created? They can be blamed (along with Dems) for not doing something. 

How can they be blamed for the mess ACA has created?

Can someone be specific about "the mess" of ACA. What specific issues do you have. 

Can someone be specific about "the mess" of ACA. What specific issues do you have.

1. The tax increase
2. Sky rocketing insurance costs
3. No insurance in many areas. Failure of the exchanges.
4. Massive expansion of medicaid that is left to each state to pay for in a few years
5. Cuts to medicare
6. Loss of Dr. Choice
7. Many institutions and Dr's not taking ACA policies.
8. The redistribution of wealth associated with the subsidies.
9 Unmanageable deductibles for many. 

The tax increase

there was a 2% increase for top 1%, and less than .4 % increase for most middle income families.

Republicans looked to do away with these, but found it was not possible to fund much of what they desired to do in health care without it.

In many ways this is a more direct charge to help those who can not pay, as opposed to less direct subsidies or Medicaid in pre ACA days.

But all in not sure a 2% tax hike to the top 1% qualifies for "disaster status" 

So 6 years in and does 100% of the US population have health care? Does the 40 million people have health care?

Or is it more like 12 million people. So for these 12 million people we ruined a pretty good health care system, drove up the price for most Americans, limited choice of doctors for most of Americans for 3% of the population?

That's about right for anything the federal government tries to do. 

Sky rocketing insurance costs

There were skyrocketing cost pre ACA as well - some localized horrors for individual coverage. But for working people subsidized by there employer - which is the vast majority of the case - premium increases post and pre ACA are very similar.

All that said post ACA premiums increases are very high for some. And needs to be addressed. 

GOP Healthcare bill is dead, again

GOP: The new Zombie party
Pro death panel 

How can they be blamed for the mess ACA has created?

Really bob? That sounds exactly like the complaint over jobs created under the first qtr of PBO's 1st term. Republicans wreck the car, and blame dems for the cost of the damage.

Zombie party. See what I mean? 

No insurance in many areas. Failure of the exchanges.

The coops were an attempt to provide a level of coverage to the uninsured - and it is not working, in some part do to a reduction in funding and in some part due to the target audience.

But, again this is a matter of which pocket you take the money out of. Have government prop up the co-ops and hope enough uninsured are there to do the rest, or have the uninsured turn up at the ER etc. 

How can they be blamed for the mess ACA has created?

And you've got a President so clueless that he can't pass his #1 objective: repealing and replacing ObamaCare. He didn't even invite to the WH the Pubs that were on the fence. Instead, in true Trump fashion, he invited the guys that think he's doing a great job.

To pass your #1 initiative, you need both knowledge of the agenda and passion.

Trump has neither. And anyone who tells you otherwise is simply ignoring the facts. 

. Massive expansion of medicaid that is left to each state to pay for in a few years

From the Kaiser foundation -

Coverage: Studies show that Medicaid expansion results in significant coverage gains and reductions in uninsured rates, both among the low-income population broadly and within specific vulnerable populations.

Access to care, utilization, affordability, and health outcomes: Most research demonstrates that Medicaid expansion positively impacts access to care, utilization of services, the affordability of care, and financial security among the low-income population.

Studies have also shown improved self-reported health following expansion, but additional research is needed to determine effects on health outcomes.

Economic measures: Analyses find positive effects of expansion on multiple economic outcomes, despite Medicaid enrollment growth initially exceeding projections in many states. Studies also show that Medicaid expansions result in reductions in uncompensated care costs for hospitals and clinics as well as positive or neutral effects on employment and the labor market. 

Cuts to medicare

there was a propose 700B cut to be spread over 2013 - 2022 - proponents say by eliminating waste, fraud, and high priced private coverage. Opponents say by lack of coverage - we are 5 years in and it looks like the proponents were more correct than the opponents.

This should be directionally a good thing 

Loss of Dr. Choice

Way more headline and anecdote than fact on this one. No real impact on the vast number of people. But it is true that limiting networks can reduce premium and in some cases that happened.

But no where near the rhetoric or anywhere near "disaster" 

Last 3 are redundant - with others.

Listen I was not an ACA fan at inception. I understand and to some degree applaud the attempt. The healthcare and insurance system in the US was pretty broken before well before ACA and it is a very difficult thing to fix with lots of moving parts. It is very much like pushing against a balloon. Is ACA good - I don't think so, but it is an unrealistic hurdle to think it would be.

So ACA is not perfect, it may not even be good - but the "disaster" talk is just more hyperbole - 

There is no support for ACA repeal.

There is no alternative healthcare plan in existence.

The White House will continue to be out of the loop.

It's not a disaster. There are certainly areas for improvement. Get busy Congress. It's doable.